MyBump2Baby Podcasts Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:44:24 +0000 en hourly 1 MyBump2Baby Podcasts 32 32 Child Arrangements following a Relationship Breakdown Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:39:49 +0000 In todays podcast Carla Lett speaks with expert family law solicitor Zanariah Webster from Parfitt Cresswell.
Zanariah answers and discusses all your questions about child arrangements following the breakdown of a relationship.

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  • Child Arrangements following a Relationship Breakdown

In todays podcast Carla Lett speaks with expert family law solicitor Zanariah Webster from Parfitt Cresswell.

Zanariah answers and discusses all your questions about child arrangements following the breakdown of a relationship. 

They discuss about if court is absolutely necessary, if mothers have great rights than fathers, how maintenance works, laws around relocations and holidays plus much more.

Email address is

The firm offers a complimentary 30 minute consultation so if anyone requires advice on any aspect of family law, please feel free to contact us on 0333 016 4358

[00:00:00] Carla: My Bump 2 Baby is one of the UKs leading parenting platforms. You can find local pregnancy to preschool groups, classes, and lessons, wherever you are in the UK. Not only that, but you can read our honest reviews on the latest products, days out and services that you as parents need to know about. We also work with trusted financial advisors, family law, solicitors, and now estate agents, too.

[00:00:33] If you would like to find your nearest, trusted expert, head over to

[00:00:46] Are you a parent looking to start a small business, perhaps you’ve no idea where to start. Or maybe you’ve already got a small business and you’re struggling to take it to that next level. My Bump 2 Baby is here to support you. My Bump 2 Baby Business offers training packages, mentorship programs, one-to-one support, and e-courses, if you would like more information on how to grow your business with My Bump 2 Baby.

[00:01:19] Then email us. Our email address is

[00:01:35] Hello, and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby expert podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK to answer your questions on everything, pregnancy to preschool.

[00:02:01] Today, we are talking all about child arrangements and I am joined by family law solicitor Zanariah Webster from Parfitt Cresswell. I hope you enjoy this podcast.

[00:02:21] Hello, everybody. Welcome to My Bump 2 Baby’s Expert podcast. Today I am joined by Zanariah Webster family law solicitor at Parfitt Cresswell. And today we’re going to be covering child arrangements. Hi Zanariah how are you?

[00:02:39] Zanariah: I’m fine. Thank you Carla. How are you? 

[00:02:41] Carla: I’m very well, thank you very well. So Zanariah, can you tell us a little bit about you?

[00:02:48] Zanariah: Um, yes, of course, Carla I’m a family solicitor, and I’m working in Parfitt Cresswell in the Windsor office. Um, I’m 13 PQE so I’ve actually been qualified for 13 years, although I’ve been in the profession for almost 20, um, I deal with all aspects of matrimonial law. So divorce, financial settlements, child arrangements, cohabitation, uh, grandparents’ rights, and also nuptial agreements. So we really cover every area under matrimonial law.

[00:03:20] Carla: Amazing. So you cover quite, quite a large, a large audience there. 

[00:03:25] Zanariah: Yes, I do. 

[00:03:26] Carla: So in regards to child arrangements, then, um, if someone separates from their partner, do they have to go to court? 

[00:03:34] Zanariah: Um, not necessarily. And if anything, it’s advisable that parents try to resolve things away from the court arena. Um, court proceedings are very stressful. They can take quite a lot of time and also they’re, they’re potentially quite costly. So what I would always recommend is that where possible try to have an open dialogue with your partner and try to resolve issues, um, away from, um, going to court and away from solicitors.

[00:04:04] What solicitors can help you with is try to put forward an informal arrangement between the both of you, so that you have something documented in writing as to how often the child is going to spend with one parent, who’s going to pay for their activities. Who’s going, you know how often they can have the children during holidays. Solicitors can help with that. But if communication breaks down totally, then there’ll be no choice, but to apply for a child arrangements order, which under the old term used to be called custody, people still use that terminology quite a lot, but it’s essentially what it is. Just custody and yeah child arrangements now. 

[00:04:44] Carla: Right. Okay. That’s brilliant. Thank you for that. And, and do mothers have greater rights than fathers over children now when it comes to custody?

[00:04:54] Zanariah: This is actually a myth. And I think it’s perpetuated by a lot of the stories that you see in the press or the media, but the law sees the mother and the father as equal, whether they’re married or unmarried and what’s important and is actually the court’s paramount consideration is the welfare of the child.

[00:05:16] So that means who is able to meet the child’s daily, physical, emotional, psychological, and educational needs, and that the court would want to view that both parents are able to do that. Now, if there are issues with one parent then the court will step in and put in some measures, or they might restrict contact somehow, but every case is dependent on its circumstances.

[00:05:42] Now, if a child is particularly young, so if they’re a newborn or, you know, a toddler. There’s a slight balance towards the mothers only because of the care that the mothers can give that fathers just biologically aren’t able to, but essentially the mothers and the fathers are treated equally in the eyes of the law.

[00:06:04] Carla: Wow. Right. Okay. That’s brilliant. Yeah. I think a lot of these TV programs and stuff like that don’t help with things like that. 

[00:06:12] Zanariah: They don’t which is why I never watched them. 

[00:06:15] Carla: That makes sense. That makes sense. So touching on that a bit more then, so the courts, when it comes to deciding who the child will live with, obviously if they’re younger, I get what you’re saying about, about the mother. Um, maybe being a bit more available to their needs. Um, but in regards to, um, deciding other than that, when the child’s older, is that a decision the child would make then or you know, uh, how would that work? 

[00:06:41] Zanariah: Potentially a child can make the decision. So whenever a parent applies for a child arrangements order, which is a court order, um, there will be a Cafcass officer who was a child welfare officer who will be involved in the case. And their job is to take out, to carry out safeguarding and to find out what the issues are with the family. Now, the older, the child is the presumption is that they’re able to voice who they want to spend time with. And it is quite, the older the child is the stronger their influence is with the judge, but this has to be balanced against what the court welfare officer feel is of the best interest of the child, the circumstances surrounding the parental breakup, and also whether one parent can unduly exert their influence over the other parent. It’s a term called parental alienation and it can put a child at a very difficult position, but generally the older the child is the more better they are at voicing their own opinions. 

[00:07:42] Carla: Yeah, that must be so hard for children to do when they are put in the middle of it.

[00:07:46] Zanariah: Definitely they are yeah. 

[00:07:48] Carla: So what orders could I ask the court to make then?

[00:07:52] Zanariah: So there is quite a wide range of orders you could ask the court. So you could ask the court for an order for a child to live with you. Um, and to spend time with the other parent. So this is the old terminology of custody. They’ve sort of, the terminology has changed to make the whole process a little less hostile.

[00:08:11] Um, you could ask, you could ask the court if you wanted to move, you know to another part of the country, you could ask for a specific issue order for that to happen. Or you could ask for something to stop the court, ask the court to stop something from happening, which is called a prohibited steps order. So for example, if you had a child and the other parent wanted to take that child to another country that you know nothing about, there are no connections to, you can ask the court to prohibit that from happening.

[00:08:40] And you could also, the other thing I mentioned earlier was a specific issue that is something like asking for specific medical treatment for a child or asking for the court to change the child’s surname.

[00:08:54] Carla: Yeah. Yeah so there’s quite a few different orders there. Isn’t there really?

[00:08:57] Zanariah: Yes there are, there are. 

[00:08:59] Carla: What about, um, just touching on moving. What about if a parent decided that they wanted to move to the other end of the country? Does that, is that the same or, or is that worked out differently. 

[00:09:12] Zanariah: Um, if there is child arrangements in place between the parents, then it’s not one parent’s right to up and move and take the child with them. It’s quite a serious matter because it not only disrupts the child’s education and their, you know, their social life, so to speak, but also it can disrupt the, the contact that they have with a non resident parent.

[00:09:34] My advice would be is that if you were planning on moving to the other side of the country, you will need to, you should discuss this with the other parent. And if that doesn’t work, the non resident, parent can actually make an application to the court for the court to consider where the child should live. And in that the courts have quite a delicate balancing act to do, because they’ve got to weigh up. The parents need to move abroad, not abroad, but the other side of the country for work, for whatever purposes against the child’s relationship with the parent, that’s remaining, it’s a very difficult balance. And it’s something that the court do not take lightly. And whether the, the person is going to move to the other side of the country or abroad, the same sort of requirements are, are expected from both parties.

[00:10:24] Carla: Yeah, totally understandable isn’t it? If one partner has no contact with the child whatsoever, um, then can a parent still ask for maintenance from that parent? How would they go about that? 

[00:10:40] Zanariah: They can absolutely ask for maintenance. Seeing your child is not linked to financial maintenance. So what you would need to, you should do, is actually go to the child maintenance service. So they used to be called the child support agency. And if you know how much your ex partner is earning, you could actually put down what their gross annual salary is.

[00:11:00] Um, and you, the child maintenance service will calculate how much is owed to you. If you don’t know how much they earn. But you have an idea of where they are send the CMS, their details, and the CMS will make contact with them, to make payments and is dependent on their salary. So they would have to disclose their payslips and it’s usually deducted at source. Um, and this is irrespective of whether that parent sees the child or not. 

[00:11:26] Carla: That’s great. Yeah, because that extra support, I mean, children cost a lot, don’t they? So, yeah. 

[00:11:33] Zanariah: Yes they do.

[00:11:34] Carla: That makes, that makes sense. So, so in regards to the maintenance, again, just a bit deeper on that one. If someone hasn’t been paying say for a year or two years, would the payments then be backdated or not?

[00:11:50] Zanariah: Potentially they can be. It depends on when the case is opened with the CMS. So as far as I know, uh, if you open up a case today or you don’t receive any payment until I don’t know until six months time that it can be backdated to the time that you actually opened the application any earlier than that, you will need to make specific inquiries with the child maintenance service. And they will look at it as a case by case basis.

[00:12:15] Carla: Yeah, it’s just good to know that you’ve got that support there. 

[00:12:19] Zanariah: Yeah because children are expensive and a lot of people are under the misdemeanour, that child mated it is to pay for activities and clothes and shoes, but it’s not, it can go towards bills and rent because all those things go towards maintaining a child. 

[00:12:37] Carla: Yeah, of course. And, and a lot of parents. The parents who, who have the child, their work hours might work around the school hours. So they can’t work as much, you know, term time. So yeah, no, that, that makes a lot of sense. Um, so can someone change their child’s surname without their partner’s permission?

[00:12:58] Zanariah: Unfortunately, no, they do need their, the partner’s permission, uh, the courts view a child’s surname as part of their identity and to change it without knowing, without the other parent, knowing is sort of excluding that parent from the child’s life. If you can’t, if you don’t know the whereabouts of this parent, or they don’t make any concerted effort to see the child, you could apply to the court for a specific issue order. For the court to decide that the child surname could be changed, but they’re given in very rare circumstances. It has to be very good reasons as to why a child would, why you would want to change a child’s surname. 

[00:13:39] Carla: That makes sense. So say for example, me and my partner had split up and he doesn’t really have much to do with, with the child. Can I take my child abroad? If my partner and I are separated? 

[00:13:54] Zanariah: Yes, you can. You can take your child, your child aboard. Did you say you are in contact with the, with the partner or not? 

[00:14:01] Carla: Yeah. Well, if I was in contact with the partner, um, and I wanted to take my child on holiday, that would be okay?

[00:14:09] Zanariah: Yes, that would be okay. As long as you give the other parent an itinerary as to where you’re going, where you’re staying, when you’re going to be returning. And as long as that country isn’t a high risk jurisdiction, and there are ties to that country and it works both ways. Uh, the other parent cannot refuse, uh, permission unreasonably.

[00:14:29] So for example, if you wanted to take your child to Disney World, but the other parent objected because they wanted to be the parent to take the child to Disney World. That’s not a reason to refuse taking the child abroad. Uh, it’s gotta to be quite a serious reason. So if you’re going to a high risk country, that that’s not a member of the Hague convention, and there are no ties to it then that parent can say, whoa, I don’t want you to take the child abroad. But if it’s just, you know, uh, to a safe country, you’ve give it all the details to the other, the other partner, there is no reason why you can’t take that child abroad. 

[00:15:05] Carla: That’s brilliant. And, um, you know, when we talk about, um, taking my child abroad on holiday, if me and my partner have separated, um, is there a timeframe that I’m allowed to take my child on holiday for, is there a maximum amount of time? 

[00:15:23] Zanariah: So, yeah. So where there is an order that states that the child is living with one parent. So that’s lives with order. That parent can take the child abroad for 28 days without the written consent of the parents. But practically speaking, I think is always a good idea to, um, let the other parent know that you are taking that, that child abroad because you would expect them to follow the same procedure and follow that same courtesy.

[00:15:52] Uh, it’s very difficult. I can understand to sometimes maintain civil after a separation, but it’s for the benefit of the child. And you would want to know where your child is anyway, so you don’t need written consent, but you should at least have that just to, uh, as a matter of courtesy. 

[00:16:09] Carla: Definitely. And it keeps that relationship in, in a good place. Doesn’t it? 

[00:16:13] Zanariah: Absolutely. Yeah. So that’s important. 

[00:16:15] Carla: That’s great. Brilliant. So how can I improve communication with my ex partner when we do discuss child arrangements? Have you got any kind of tips on that? 

[00:16:25] Zanariah: Uh, there are a lot of apps out there that my clients use to, to help with communication. There’s one app called Close App that you can download and it’s used specifically for communication regarding the child. So anything outside of that arena, you just would not put it on. And I think it’s always a good idea when you are communicating with your partner to, conversations should be civil. And, they should be child-focused and child centric. And if things are a bit rocky with your ex partner, they should always be written with a view that it might go in front of a judge.

[00:17:04] Carla: Okay, that’s brilliant. Gosh, we’ve covered quite a lot there. There’s so much to cover. Um, on where, where could people find you Zanariah? If they want to ask you some more questions on this subject? 

[00:17:16] Zanariah: Um, so we, our website is The firm offers a 30 minute complimentary initial consultation. Its no obligation and it’s a really good way of finding out what your rights are before you proceed to the next step. Uh, I could give you my email address its Um, I’m more than happy to communicate with anyone who has a question about this because it’s such a mind field and there’s so much information out there and talking to friends or Googling it. Is as, as much as, as well meaning as friends, that can be, it can make you even feel even more overwhelmed and confused. So wherever you need that legal advice. I would strongly advised to seek that from an expert. 

[00:18:06] Carla: Absolutely also laws change don’t they quite often. 

[00:18:09] Zanariah: Absolutely.

[00:18:09] Carla: So what was for one parent, you know, 10 years ago, maybe very well different now 

[00:18:14] Zanariah: Yeah and every situation is different. So I get a lot of people who say when it comes to financial, uh, disagreements, for example, they say, well, that person was able to take the house, the pension. You know, they got spousal support, why can’t I? And the main reason for that is because every family life is different. Every situation is different. And that’s what the courts look at. It’s not a one size fits all. Which is a good thing because every family dynamic works differently. Uh, so what may work for one person may not actually work for you?

[00:18:48] Carla: That makes sense. That’s brilliant. Well Zanariah thank you so much for coming on today. That’s been really, really helpful. 

[00:18:55] Zanariah: Thank you so much for having me it’s been a pleasure. 

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Changing Your Career Joining Tumble Tots Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:13:26 +0000 In today’s expert podcast Carla Lett chats with Charlotte Bedford the Franchise Development Manager at Tumble Tots, they talk about becoming a franchise owner for Tumble tots.

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  • Changing Your Career Joining Tumble Tots

In today’s expert podcast Carla Lett chats with Charlotte Bedford the Franchise Development Manager at Tumble Tots, they talk about becoming a franchise owner for Tumble tots, what it entails, the benefits and also the financial aspects too.



[00:00:00] Carla: My Bump 2 Baby is one of the UKs leading parenting platforms. You can find local pregnancy to preschool groups, classes, and lessons, wherever you are in the UK. Not only that, but you can read our honest reviews on the latest products, days out and services that you as parents need to know about. We also work with trusted financial advisors, family law, solicitors, and now estate agents, too.

[00:00:33] If you would like to find your nearest, trusted expert, head over to

[00:00:46] Are you a parent looking to start a small business, perhaps you’ve no idea where to start. Or maybe you’ve already got a small business and you’re struggling to take it to that next level. My bumps baby is here to support you. My Bump 2 Baby Business offers training packages, mentorship programs, one-to-one support, and e-courses, if you would like more information on how to grow your business with My Bump 2 Baby.

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[00:01:35] Hello, and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby Expert podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK to answer your questions on everything, pregnancy to preschool.

[00:02:00] Today I am joined by the lovely Charlotte Bedford from Tumble Tots. Charlotte is the franchise development manager, and today we’re going to be talking all about joining Tumble Tots, the process, the benefits and everything you need to know if you are interested in joining the team. I hope you enjoyed this episode.

[00:02:26] Hello everybody. And welcome to My Bump 2 Baby’s Expert podcast. Today I am joined by the lovely Charlotte Bedford the franchise development manager for Tumble Tots. Hi Charlotte, how are you? 

[00:02:42] Charlotte: I’m good. Thank you. You?

[00:02:44] Carla: Yes, very well. Thank you very well. So today we’re going to be talking a little bit about flexible working, going back to work, and then finding a business that works around you and your family.

[00:02:56] So I’m really excited to talk about. Because obviously with My Bump 2 Baby, I started that business during maternity leave. And I really didn’t want to go back to my full nine to five job. 

[00:03:08] Charlotte: Not many people do. 

[00:03:11] Carla: I know that’s the thing. Do you know what though? I always thought I always thought, oh yeah. Yeah. I’ll definitely go back full time. And as soon as I had my little boy, I was like, oh no. And when you look at childcare fees as well, oh, my goodness.

[00:03:25] Charlotte: A lot of my friends now they are, they are finding that they are working just to put their children into childcare. And it’s just a bit like, well, what, why am I even doing this? It’s it’s crazy. Isn’t it? 

[00:03:39] Carla: It really is. Honestly. And then if you have another one as well, throw them into the mix blooming hell it’s like having another house.

[00:03:50] Charlotte: It’s crazy. 

[00:03:51] Carla: It is. So we find a lot of our parents that come on My Bump 2 Baby to find local groups and classes. Um, a lot of them are kind of open to the idea of running their own business and finding their own thing that works for them and around the family. So we’re going to touch on, also the benefits of becoming a Tumble Tots franchise owner. Now, first of all, I just want to say if you’ve not been to the classes and you’ve got a local one in your area, Honestly, they are brilliant. My little George absolutely loved them and do you know they tired him out as well, which was even better because I got a hot brew when I got home 

[00:04:29] Charlotte: They are brilliant. And, you know, we find that a lot of parents are like. I’m exhausted. now as well, so, and it’s, it’s a great, it’s a great sort of parent child. I know I’m very biased, but it is a great parent child activity. And like you said, it just wears, wears them out. We get so many pictures of little ones in their car seats after Tumble Tots. Just clonked out. Because they’re just exhausted, but it’s great. 

[00:04:55] Carla: It is. Can you tell us a little bit about the classes for people that haven’t been to your classes? And so we can cover that.

[00:05:02] Charlotte: Yeah. So, um, Tumble Tots, we’re a physical play program. So we basically run 45 minute classes, for, um, children for specific ages and development stages. So. Babies start when they’re six months and we have our sort of baby class and then they work their way through until they go off to school in their different classes. So the way, it’s so hard to describe Tumble Tots as sort of one sentence, but the best way I think is, is like it’s a PE lesson for your toddler where they’re having fun, they’re playing, but then also you’re actively as the parent involved in the class as well.

[00:05:38] So it’s, it is great fun for children, for parents. And I always say for the staff and franchisees as well. I, whenever I get the opportunity to work in classes. I love it. I’m always like a Duracell Bunny, that I’m wound up and wound up and I just throw everything at it because it’s, it’s impossible not to have fun in our, in our environment. And whatever’s going on sort of at home or in the outside world. Soon as those doors open to the classes, the music’s playing. And the children come in, beaming and full of energy. That is the best, the best feeling, it really is. 

[00:06:13] Carla: Oh, amazing. That is a really good way to describe it. So, so, um, with, um, obviously flexible working around maternity, obviously Tumble Tots, you are a franchise, so people can actually buy into a Tumble Tots business. So could you. You’ve told us a bit about Tumble Tots as a class. Now, can you tell us a bit about being a franchise owner of Tumble Tots? 

[00:06:39] Charlotte: Yeah. So franchising is a great opportunity whereby you buy into, as a franchisee, a well-known brand, a concept that works really well and thats established. However, what it does provide you is the opportunity to run your own business. You’re a business owner and you drive and push and develop that business as much as you want to with our full support, our advice, our expertise, and in terms of sort of a Tumble Tots franchisee, um, your sort of responsible for running the classes with a team. So you have your own, your own staff. But then also you’re responsible for sort of the operational side of it.

[00:07:21] So how are you going to develop that business? How are you going to get the Tumble Tots name out in your local area and how are you going to sort of keep those little ones keep coming in and coming in? So it’s, it’s a great franchise opportunity in terms of the, it uses sort of two aspects. So, if you love working with children and you get a real buzz from that, you’ve got that side of it, but then you’ve also got the other side of actually running your own business and what that takes as well. And combining the two. And actually it really does give a good balance, whereas you’re not stuck behind a desk all day, running a business. Actually for the most part of the day, you’re in classes getting in amongst with the children, the parents, and then you do have the other sort of aspect where you actually, yeah. You do need to sit down sometimes at a desk, but not, not as much as you wouldn’t necessarily within the businesses. 

[00:08:16] Carla: I suppose it’s, it’s good in some ways, cause people have different personalities. Don’t they? See I am a desker and I, I, you know, that side of things, but then, you know, as, as they grow the business, I mean, I imagine, you know, they could have staff looking after different classes and they could be a bit more behind the scenes or they could be more up front depending on what they, they want to do.

[00:08:37] Charlotte: Yeah and it very much depends on their own circumstances as well. So we’ve got some franchisee. Um, with very young children. So they might work in their classes maybe three days a week, and then their team look after the classes for two days a week. Knowing full well that the franchisee is very much still in control very much in the business. However, that’s, that’s one of the flexibilities of Tumble Tots is that, you know, we understand, and a lot of our franchisees have young children.

[00:09:09] So actually it works really, really well for them. And going back to sort of childcare is that, you know, if they, if they only want to put their child into nursery, maybe two days, then that’s fine. They operate those two days. They might have their child one day and it’s a, it’s a good juggling act. So you’re not having to fork out all of that money for childcare, as you would sometimes with sort of like a typical nine to five.

[00:09:33] Carla: That’s great. So you can kind of get it to work for you can’t you really? 

[00:09:37] Charlotte: Yeah for sure.

[00:09:38] Carla: I think the great thing about having a franchise is, you know, it’s proven method. It works, you know, look how long Tumble Tots have been around. I mean, when did it launch? 

[00:09:47] Charlotte: Yeah, so we’re, we were established in 1979, so we’re touching 43 years, which is amazing. And w when you say that you just think, oh my goodness, what, look at what has happened in those 43 years. So we’ve, we’ve got through a few recessions. We’ve got through COVID and we’re still here. We’re still going strong and. And I think that’s credit to a the classes what we actually do for children, but also our business model, our business model works. We’re a good franchise. And actually, you know, it’s, it’s a franchise that people trust as well. Parents trust to come to classes. But sort of potential franchisees trust the name because they understand that we’ve been going for so long and that we have got some amazing opportunities available. 

[00:10:38] Carla: Absolutely. Yeah. So, so with the, um, with, when you decide, right, I’m interested in a franchise, you obviously you’d have to check that your area is available cause you get a territory don’t you? Um, so, so what, what’s the process from then, then? How do they, how do they make more enquiries? 

[00:11:00] Charlotte: So the first point of call you rightly said Carla, you go onto our website and it will show the available areas that we have. Now we do have quite a few opportunities available all around the country. Um, in Wales and Scotland as well and in Northern Ireland. So there’s this great potential all around the UK at the moment. Um, then we would start by sort of giving you a brief overview of Tumble Tots. So you understand exactly what the program is and a little bit about the franchise in general. Then, what we would generally do is we would look to meet to potentially franchisee and this would involve taking them to see some classes because there’s like I said, there’s no, it’s really hard to pin down exactly what Tumble Tots is.

[00:11:46] So we find let’s take them to classes, show them what we do so they can see for themselves how amazing the classes are. Then we would follow that with an investment meeting. So we’d lay out what the investment entails. Um, and then sort of go, go from there. Really. So you probably looking, don’t get me wrong. It’s not sort of a, right I’m going to do it in a month, and that’s how we get started. You’re generally looking at between six to nine month process because it’s an important decision and we want to make sure that potential franchisees make the right decision and that we can offer sort of advice, support, and guidance in them getting to the best decision that suits that suits them.

[00:12:31] Carla: Um, yeah, that makes sense. It is. It’s a big decision, isn’t it of kind of going for a franchise? Cause you want it to be a, long-term a long-term thing, a long-term success, not just for you, but also for the person involved as well. Um, so that really sounds great. So, so price-wise then in terms of the franchise, how much does a Tumble Tots franchise cost?

[00:12:54] Charlotte: So you you’d be looking at about an investment about 25,000 pounds. It’s not all one lump sum. So we break that down and once a franchisee says, yes, I’m ready to go. We then provide them with the financial timeline. So they know exactly what is expected when and included in that is sort of a payment plan towards some of their equipment.

[00:13:19] Carla: Oh great.

[00:13:20] Charlotte: So we, what we want to do is make sure the, our franchisees can start trading before they have to keep paying us, that investment because you know, it’s a lot of money and we appreciate that. So, and we, we know that franchisees, they’re just so eager to get the classes started. So we do offer again some flexibility int that. And it’s very much dependent on a territory as well. So, um, we look at statistical information, demographic information, um, and all of that, that financial breakdown is provided to franchisees before they take that, that leap as it were. Um, franchisee would require some working capital as any small business would do.

[00:14:03] Um, this is sort of, you know, to start paying staff, their wages and hall hire and things like that. But pretty soon the money starts rolling in because obviously parents book. So the minute they book, they start paying. So actually franchisees see an income to the business pretty much straight away, which is great. That’s what we want. 

[00:14:27] Carla: Yeah, that is really good. I mean, you can certainly say as well that you are everywhere. I mean, in terms of you sponsor, My Bump 2 Baby, obviously we see you all the time on our website and stuff like that. But I mean, in terms of brand awareness, if you’re thinking of starting a baby and toddler group, you know, you’ve certainly got, you know, people know who Tumble Tots are, which massively would help as well. Um, so. If someone wanted to do it, could someone do it with someone or do you?

[00:14:58] Charlotte: Yeah.

[00:14:58] Carla: Oh, right. So if you had a friend?

[00:15:01] Charlotte: Yeah. We have a few partnerships around the country that work really, really well. And again, partnerships can work well because you generally have two different types of people, which is great, so they can bounce off one another. The only thing we always say is that when you go into a partnership, your income or your profit is halved, straight away. So that’s something that you have to bear in mind. And as long as you’re both happy with that, and you both understand the objectives of the business, that’s, that’s absolutely fine. And the, um, the few partnerships that we do have around the country work brilliantly, they absolutely do so it’s not something that is uncommon at all. Um, and it just depends how you want to run your business as well. For me, I’m quite a control freak, so I’m like to no I’m doing it on my own I’ll have my team with me, but we do, we have a partnership in, in the Newark area and they work really well. So they very rarely actually work on the same day in classes.

[00:16:04] So that’s again, another option that you can sort of mirror each other. And one is better in the classes and the other is better sort of do the operational stuff. So that’s great. That’s utilising your skills and they both get exactly what they want out of the business opportunity. 

[00:16:21] Carla: That’s brilliant. Yeah so there’s a few options. So if you kind of thought, you know, oh, I don’t like that. Like operational side of things. I want to do the classes. If you’ve got two people that are really kind of work well together. That that’s a great option as well. In terms of when, you know, people change don’t they, as time goes on, someone might, I mean, I’m sure you’ve got franchise owners that have been there years. But if they say came to retire and they said, right, it’s time to sell my business, they can, it is theirs to sell. Isn’t it? 

[00:16:56] Charlotte: Oh yeah. Yeah. 100%. So we we’re it’s a great thing actually Tumble Tots because we have a lot of franchisees who have operated their business for 5, 10, 15, 20 years just before the pandemic, we had a business that sold and the franchisee had been running it over 25 years. And it’s just incredible. So when franchisees come on board, they, they generally do stick with us because they, they fully believe in the program of what it can offer and it suits different stages of people’s lives, which is great. But when, when it does come time to maybe retire your bean bags, um, franchisees can put. And we always say sell your business because they’ll all be, always be somebody who wants to take that business now and then continue developing it. So, and we do have areas around the country that are up for sale at the moment. So the classes are operating, they’re running. And actually some people really like investing in that because they’re buying an established business. So they don’t have to worry oh I need to find a team. I need to do X. I need to do Y they’ve got an established business. But it’s still got room for growth and development, which actually suits some people much, much better. 

[00:18:13] Carla: Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that does makes sense. And in terms of selling price, is that a set price or is it based on a lot of things?

[00:18:22] Charlotte: So there’s a lot of factors involved, um, and franchisees would determine their selling price because it legally it’s their business. We would advise them on what we would think. Um, to price the business at, but ultimately it would, it would be up to them. And it’s very much dependent on how many children, they currently have attending classes.

[00:18:44] So if they have sort of five, 600 children, the business is going to be more valuable than a business that only maybe operates three days a week with 150 children. But the potential for that, for that particular business is huge. So you’re only operating three days, so you’ve got another two days to operate. Which you, could potentially double the children attending. So there’s, there’s pros and cons cons to it, for sure. 

[00:19:08] Carla: That’s great. Gosh, there’s loads of options then. So if someone wanted to speak to you further about that, are you the lady. That would talk to them Charlotte?.

[00:19:18] Charlotte: Yeah so they can get hold of us via They come in into me. Um, and we sort of start to get the ball rolling with with that. But what we like to do as well Carla is we like to put potentially franchisees in touch with other franchisees, because what we find is that. People like to know about the nitty gritty the day to day stuff sometimes. Actually, what am I getting myself into? So we generally, we put them in touch with an existing franchisee. Who does quite well. But who has also been with us for quite a while. So has seen different stages of Tumble Tots. They’ve seen different stages of their business, and actually they can give a really good reflection on what it takes day to day. The work that’s required, but also then how it does fit in to family life as well, which I think is really important for people. Especially when they’re looking for a career change. How is this going to make my personal, my family life better than what it potentially will be if I go back to my nine to five after maternity.

[00:20:26] Carla: Um, absolutely. And the thing is, I think sometimes it’s just having that scope to be able to earn even more, but in less, but working less as well. It’s a great career opportunity. Anyway, anyways, the Tumble Tots classes, like I said, I’m a huge fan of them anyway. So, so Charlotte, could you tell people where they will find you? Um, and so they can get in touch with you for more information? 

[00:20:53] Charlotte: So you can find us at Um, if you just click the franchising section there, that gives you all the information that, that you need, or you can, as I said, you can email us at and that comes directly to me. And we could start to engage with you about opportunities that we’ve got available. All we ask is if you do email us, just make sure you put your address in there. So I know where you, where you are because sometimes we get inquiries coming through. Um, and oh can you tell me some more information about a franchise and it’s, like well let me know where you are so I can see, first of all, the viability and the potential, and if, if we’ve got an existing franchisee there, then there’s no point in me wasting your time. Um, and it’s always nice to know where people are and where we would potentially be moving into. 

[00:21:43] Carla: Brilliant. That sounds excellent. So thank you so much, Charlotte, for joining me today.

[00:21:47] Charlotte: Pleasure.

[00:21:48] Carla: What we’ll do is we’ll put the links down on the bottom of this, so people know where to go to, to find more information. Okay. Thank you.

[00:21:57] Charlotte: Thank you. Bye. 

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Benefits of Baby Swimming Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:04:38 +0000 Today Carla Lett talks with Tamsin from Water Babies Bucks & Bed all about the benefits of baby swimming.
They talk about the benefits, when is the best time to start your baby with swimming lessons, the benefits from starting your little one swimming so young.

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  • Benefits of Baby Swimming

Today Carla Lett talks with Tamsin from Water Babies Bucks & Bed all about the benefits of baby swimming.

They talk about the benefits, when is the best time to start your baby with swimming lessons, the benefits from starting your little one swimming so young. They touch on what your baby should wear for swimming lessons, information about the classes, class safety and the benefits of swimming for mental health for both parents and babies.

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[00:01:35] Hello, and welcome to MyBump 2 Baby Expert podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK to answer your questions on everything, pregnancy to preschool.

[00:02:00] Today I am joined by the lovely Tamsin Brewis from Water Babies, and Tamsin is going to be telling us everything we need to know about baby swimming. I hope you enjoy this episode.

[00:02:21] Hello everybody. And welcome to My Bump 2 Baby’s Expert podcast. Today I am joined by the lovely Tamsin franchise owner of Water Babies Bucks & Bed. So hello, Tamsin, how are you? 

[00:02:36] Tamsin: Hi Carla. I’m very well. Very well. Thank you for having me. 

[00:02:40] Carla: Oh, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. So Tamsin today, we’re going to be talking about the benefits of baby swimming aren’t we. And I’m really looking forward to asking you a lot of questions around this, because there are so many benefits.

[00:02:54] Tamsin: Completely there are, um, there are all the hidden benefits, as well as the, the, the ones that you, you know, the physical ones that you see. So taking your baby swimming. Uh, of course swimming is a life skill and actually getting them in the water early means that they will learn to swim earlier. So that’s the obvious one, but there are so many physical benefits working against the water, mental benefits of actually helping build brain pathways and actually bonding with parents. So yeah, there are loads and loads, um, that we can talk about today. 

[00:03:24] Carla: I’m excited for that. So Tamsin let me get started with the question of, from one of our parents, when is the best time to start your baby with swimming lessons?

[00:03:36] Tamsin: Okay. Well, I would say the best time is really when you, as the parent are ready, your baby can swim from birth, to be honest with you. There’s no reason why you can’t take them swimming from birth. Um, but the factors that define that are really things like pool temperatures. So a tiny baby, um, sort of under three months of age, really needs to go into a pool, which is a hydrotherapy pool or a warm water pool over 32 degrees.

[00:04:02] Once they’ve, they’ve sort of got to three months and around about sort of 12 pounds, six kilos in weight, then they can go into the pools of 30 degrees plus, but it’s really actually dependent on you as the parents, because you need to be ready. You need to feel confident and comfortable about coming swimming with your little one.

[00:04:20] And also you need to feel comfortable that you can juggle, you know, the swim bag with everything else that you’re dealing with as a, as a new parent. So the honest answer about it, I would say babies about three months, but parents when you’re ready. 

[00:04:34] Carla: That’s brilliant and Tamsin, what are the benefits from starting so young then?

[00:04:41] Tamsin: Um, well really starting young, um, you know, lots of people say to us, well can they swim? Can babies swim? Well no, no they can’t swim and they won’t learn to swim on the surface. Your child won’t learn to swim on the surface until they’re about two and a half, two and a half, three. However, by coming swimming with them early, you’re introducing them the worlds of physical activity and making it a family activity actually from a very young.

[00:05:05] So being, you know, your baby has just been in amniotic fluid, so the best for nine months or so, and really it’s almost like transferring them to that same sort of environment it just being a swimming pool. So coming early means that you spend time with your baby on a one-to-one basis. There’s no other interruptions except the swimming teachers or other parents in the classes, but no telephones or computers or anything like that going on.

[00:05:29] So, and that’s, one-to-one time is very, very important. It’s very good in terms of skin to skin contact with your baby. Um, I mean, I ask how many parents actually get in the bath with their babies or shower with their tiny babies, again, something which is really, really good to do with them. Uh, because again, you’re building a very good bonding experience. You’re building, um, from, from very young, you start to build up muscles, um, and, and your baby’s body muscles, um, because they’re working against water. If you think about you’re in water so its resistance that you’re working on. And you’re actually, as I say, getting into the world of physical activity, being, making that part of your family really, um, to go forward. 

[00:06:11] Carla: That’s brilliant. Yeah. I mean, there’s so many things really just making your baby stronger. And like you said, them being in amniotic fluid for so many months, you know, that that’s probably a place they’re quite familiar with isn’t really. They’ve been there mainly. 

[00:06:26] Tamsin: Yeah, completely. It’s, it’s where they’ve been. And if you know, your baby’s brain is, um, is at the stages of developing. So the experiences you give them when they’re tiny are experiences that will actually help to mold and define some of those pathways in the brain. We’re not born with a fear of water, for example. So taking them swimming, um, and you being happy in the water with them is a really positive thing. Why should we, you know, why should they actually go through a phase of actually learning a fear of water? I would say learning a respect of water is a much more important thing to be able to do.

[00:07:01] So doing things with your little ones when they’re tiny is a really nice thing to do. And you are, you know, you’re setting those foundations in place from a, from a very young age really is what you’re doing with them. 

[00:07:12] Carla: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I know something that was, was on my mind when, when George was little was what nappies do you need to get, because I actually remember, and I’m going to share this because I want other parents to actually kind of not feel embarrassed by it. But I remember taking George in a normal nappy and it swelled massively. It was, it’s like, I don’t know if anyone’s listening that has done this, but I’ve actually put nappies in the washing machine before, and you should see the results it’s awful to deal with. So, so what nappies do you recommend that parents get for their little ones? 

[00:07:49] Tamsin: Right. So, um, I mean the swimming industry, the baby swimming industry has really developed in this area, which is fantastic. The majority of some schools and swimming pools and clubs and so forth. Will now ask for babies to wear what they call swim nappies, which tend to be paper nappies, or a reusable equivalent of a paper nappy. And you can buy those in Boots, Mothercares, the supermarkets and so forth anyway. Um, however, if you’re. Uh, sort of mindset like me about recycling. Um, you know, nappies can be, paper nappies can be a bit of a problem for that. So now you can buy cotton under nappies, um, which are lovely. Um, and, and then on top of those, you, you use what is known as a neoprene nappy known as a happy nappy. Um, and, uh, they are like little neoprene trunks really, but the most important thing about them is that they have a band around the waist and a band around the tops of the legs, which helps to contain everything.

[00:08:49] So if I’m, if I’m, if I’m being graphic here.

[00:08:53] Carla: No that’s fine. 

[00:08:55] Tamsin: Well babies will wee in the swimming pool. Yes, they will. And the nappies won’t stop that, but however, if they poo in the pool, we need it to be contained because otherwise you have to clean the pools down. So that’s really the purpose of the happy nappy, um, is to, to do that. Now, um, Splash About who are, sort of one of the leaders in this field of nappies. Have actually just bought out a nappy called a duo nappy. And actually it has that liner, that sort of cotton liner, um, in built into it. So you, you pay for one product which will last, you certainly for should be about three months, four months anyway. Um, and that will, that’s all you need as your basic starting point really. Um, so, uh, yes, have a look at, you know, Water Babies, um, have got them on our website, um, and Splash About and so forth. Um, are the, the nappies. Um, if you, um, if you then want to go a little bit further, you can get wetsuits for babies when they come swimming and you can get wet suits with the nappies built into them.

[00:09:57] Carla: Oh wow goodness. 

[00:09:59] Tamsin: So you can get things called happy nappy wetsuits. And in fact, there is now a duo nappy wetsuit as well. Um, which has the happy nappy is the base, but it has a covering for the upper part of the body. So covers the chest and the arms. Now babies cannot, uh, find it difficult to regulate their body temperatures be more honest. Until they’re about a year old, 11 months, a year old. So in, uh, particularly in the winter months, um, it’s worth looking at wet suits because they really do the jobs that they’re supposed to do and they keep the babies warm, just like an adult wetsuit will, will, and keep you warm if you’re wearing one.

[00:10:35] Um, and think about it. If you go swimming and you’re standing up in a swimming pool, sometimes you have a draft across your shoulders and so you duck down under the water to keep yourself warm well, babies experience the same thing, really. So that’s where the wet suits come in and are really, really useful, um, and will help to keep their body temperatures. Um, what I would say is that if you decide to use a wet suit, uh, you can put a wet suit onto a dry baby, but if you’ve been in the swimming pool and then you decide to put the wet suit on actually your baby’s body temperature has already dropped. So the wet suit really won’t do anything at all. So it’s better to start with a wet suit on and if you want to take it off, take it off, but not the other way round is how it works. 

[00:11:17] Carla: That’s interesting. And, and, um, with the wetsuits that you guys have an offer, do they start from new born or what age do they start from? 

[00:11:28] Tamsin: They start from newborn. So they start, well, actually newborn and then sort of nought to three months and then they go up, um, and you can get wet suits all the way up for all ages of children, actually. Um, the, the other thing that you can look at, um, so there are, as I say there is, um, a wetsuit which has the nappy built in, or you can buy things called wraps, which actually, um, go over the happy nappy and wrap, wrap around the body. Um, if your baby tends to grow is growing very fast, particularly in lengths. The, the wraps are great for that. Um, but they must be fitted tightly on their bodies like a, like an adult wetsuit, um, so that they, you know, it doesn’t matter if you’ve got a space at the top of the straps, but they need to fit around the body. The other thing that’s, um, is available in the market as well is a fleecy lined wetsuits.

[00:12:18] Carla: Oh, that sounds blooming great. I’d have one of them at home. 

[00:12:22] Tamsin: Well, they are like rash vests that you buy for children or adults wear rash vest when they swim and when they swim in cold water and they have a. Uh, kind of fleecy light liner. They don’t have any neoprene and them, because some, some children are allergic to neoprene so that they cover that problem. Um, and they, um, again, they work in terms of keeping the babies really warm, but they don’t have to fit tightly. They just keep the babies nice, nice and warm. So, um, I, you know, I would say for the tiny babies, the fleecy line ones are absolutely wonderful. They, they, again, they, they do the job that they’re supposed to do, um, and work, they’re very effective in what they do. Certainly. Some, I think some people are on the illusion or think that a sun vest or a sunsuit will work as, as a warm an outer warm net and they don’t, they, they are there purely for the sun. Um, and in, in, if you go swimming or you go on holiday or you’ve got paddling pools out in the summer, those are brilliant because the fabric is very, very finely woven so that they will actually, um, cut out the, the sun’s rays. Any, um, swimwear that you use in the summer, you should check that they are UVA, UVB, um, filters, you know, within the fabric. Uh, because again, they do that job really, really well. 

[00:13:38] Carla: That’s great advice. Brilliant. And if someone didn’t have potentially the money to splash out into a wetsuit straight away, what if they had a little girl or little boy, what should those children, what could those children get from say a supermarket that can they just get a normal swimsuit or? 

[00:13:56] Tamsin: Yes, they can. Um, and what I would say is if you were just going to take your little ones, swimming in the local swimming pool, um, you know, getting the paper nappies, uh, Or as I say, a cotton, uh, equivalent, and then to compare, give you an idea of prices. So a pack of, um, papers swim nappies from supermarkets are about £4.99, £5.99. Sometimes they’re on offer. Um, the cotton, uh, pants are, tend to be anything from £5.99 to £7.99 as just individual little pants. So. You know, if you’re, if you go swimming regularly, they’re going to last you longer. So they’re a better investment factor.

[00:14:34] Um, you’re happy nappies, are about £12, £12.50. The, the over nappies and the majority, I would think every swim school will insist on, on happy nappies being used. Um, the duo nappies I think, are on the market at the moment on the Splash About websites and so forth at about £16.50, £17. But bear in mind, they’ve got the liners built in. So again, Uh, you know, um, they will last, you certainly for 10, 12 weeks. Um, but otherwise, um, you should certainly have at least as your minimum with, with a baby, a paper nappy plus, um, you know, on the baby, really. And if you want to wear a swimsuit on top, you can certainly do that as well.

[00:15:16] Carla: That’s perfect. Thank you so much for that. So in regards to your Water Babies classes, your fantastic classes, how long are those sessions? 

[00:15:27] Tamsin: Um, so, uh, swimming lessons at Water Babies, our lessons are 30 minutes long. So you’re in the water for 30 minutes with your little one, and they are instructor led sessions, um, at water babies. And what we’re aiming to do is give you the parents skills so that you feel confident to go swimming with your little one, um, outside of the lessons as well. Um, now babies learn. They learn incredibly quickly, but small steps is probably the best way to describe it to you. Um, so we will repeat things. Um, we’ll, we’ll teach through play and through through songs, um, we’ll progress, um, activities as well, so that, uh, they’re learning, you know, step-by-step um, but we’re always go back over things. But we’re also teaching the parents as well, because, uh, they, they are our helpers in the water with their little ones. So it’s a learning, learning environment for them as well. Um, so that they move forward. Um, so that’s what you tend to find in formal lessons, some, some lessons, or you may find a more like play, just play sessions or free form play sessions where someone is there just to help if you’d like some help.

[00:16:34] Um, but as I say at Water Babies, we are instructor led and, um, we, we want you to have fun more than anything. It’s no good teaching, if we’re not all having fun together and the babies aren’t having fun because that’s how you learn. And the more enjoyment we get out of the lessons and you get out the lessons more, you’ll learn as we go forward.

[00:16:52] Carla: That’s that’s. Yeah, totally understand that. That’s great. And if you learning at the same time as having fun, brilliant. So in a Water Babies swim class then, is there a certain structure that you guys follow or is every teacher, um, owner of the franchise different? 

[00:17:09] Tamsin: Um, no, we have a program that stretches all across the country. I mean, you can find Water Babies offices, and Water Babies swimming lessons, I think virtually everywhere in the UK just about, I think, you know, the top of Snowdonia no, I don’t think we have quite got that far. 

[00:17:28] Carla: Next year. 

[00:17:28] Tamsin: But we do work to a structure and what we call schemes of work for the different age groups of the children. So, um, and we, the age groups are a guideline, um, and we know what the children should be able to achieve on land if you like at that age group. And then we adapt for, um, the watery environment. Now there are things that children can do in water, for example, that they may not be able to do on land. So if you think about it, something like propulsion in the water of lying on a wobble and kicking their legs. Um, they can lie on the floor and kick their legs, but actually in water that you’ve got the propulsive motion of going forward as well. So we, we know what they can achieve or what they they’re working to as land based on what we do is then adapt for water for water, really.

[00:18:13] Um, and the two work very much hand in hand. Um, so the fundamental skills that you have on land, we have fundamental skills to the water as well, really. So, yes. So you should find that, uh, uh, there are some similar content, different parts of the country. There may be some differences because we’re all individual teachers, we’re all individual people. And we will obviously teach the, uh, you know, we’ll teach as we are as a, as a person, certainly. But the generally the content and the outlines for the lessons are, um, where we’re working to the same sort of structure. Yep certainly. 

[00:18:47] Carla: That’s great. And, and so, um, of course I know they are fully safe for babies, but are the classes fully safe for babies at Water Babies?

[00:18:56] Tamsin: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, we, um, so one of the things we’re very proud of is the training that we give all our instructors. And I think sometimes people think it’s something that you can, you know, watch for a couple of hours and then teach. Um, if I said to you, it probably takes three months to train a Water Babies teacher.

[00:19:15] Carla: Wow.

[00:19:15] Tamsin: From start to finish. It’s a long, a long program. So we, we, we do what is known as a diploma, a level three diploma in, in baby swimming, mother and baby, parent to baby swimming. I should say not mother and baby swimming, cause we have lots and lots of daddies who come and grandparents who come as well. Um, and we do that under the guidance of Swim England the main swimming body here in the UK.

[00:19:37] And we do life-saving qualifications and safeguarding qualifications, um, all, all of those sorts of things, which we renew and update on a regular basis as well. Um, we send our new teachers away, um, to a course where they’re away for seven days, where they do masses of, uh, learning in a swimming pool. And we, uh, we teach them about uh, child development from birth through to the age of five, we talk about things like, um, what we call it in the industry, water wobbles. So when, when children go through the stage of separation from their parents, um, and learn their own identity, which is roundabout the age of one to 18 months, when they’re learning to walk.

[00:20:19] Um, and why that happens, why that happens as a process and why it’s so important that it happens. Um, because it’s all about learning about independence and the child realising that they’re their own little person that is really, really important. So we, we cover lots of things like that, the terrible twos, um, stages, um, when children will plateau, um, Almost like they’ve taken on too much information and they need to, um, absorb that information. So they may not. Um, so you may see it in swimming pools that they’re not progressing for a period of time. And then suddenly everything comes together. Um, and they progress. Um, these are all really normal things and they’re normal in the process of learning, not just in a swimming pool, but on dry land as well.

[00:21:05] Um, and one of the things I would say to any parents. Every single child is different. And every child learns at a different rate and you’ll see some children who, you know, one week they are holding onto the side of the pool and monkey down the side of the pool and a child of an equivalent age. Can’t do that. But then suddenly a couple of weeks later, they can do it. Um, so it’s all about the individual child and working with the individual child. So that’s really important in our teaching of our teachers, that they recognise that and teach what is in front of them. Um, and the expectation is not that the whole class will do X, Y and Z in this space of time. Really. 

[00:21:42] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. No, everyone goes, every child goes at their own speed don’t they? Really? So that makes sense. So what age can children go to Water Babies until? 

[00:21:54] Tamsin: Um, they can go to Water Babies until they’re about, uh, just over five, between five and six, um, that will depend on the, on the area and the swimming pools that we have. Um, to be honest with you, um, if you can imagine quite a lot of children by the time they’re five, they’re going to school well from four. Um, so you’ll find that we’ll be teaching the older children either after school hours or weekend classes. Um, so, uh, but yes, they can, they can, they can progress that far.

[00:22:21] Carla: Yes, that’s fantastic. And what age have you seen children swimming safely on their own if they’ve started the beginning of their, I suppose their life really? 

[00:22:31] Tamsin: Well. If I say to you that I, I have a, um, uh, a six month old, five months old who can float on her own?

[00:22:38] Carla: What? Oh my goodness. Wow. 

[00:22:43] Tamsin: To swim on their own, you really are looking at so, so the children will swim under water and they’ll swim short distances underwater, um, from a young age, generally about 18 months /2 to actually as long as they’re, they’re happy and they’re confident. Um, swimming on their own on the surface. Yes. About 2 and a half. Um, they may not have strokes or perfect strokes. Um, but they may be, um, you know, they can get from A to B. Um, and they, uh, one of the things I think that, um, is, is just its magic. It’s just magic to watch actually is how strong these children are. Um, So if you’ve had it, if you’re, if you swum with Water Babies from tiny and you know, your child can climb out to the swimming pool at 18 months old, thats normal for that child, they don’t know any different.

[00:23:31] And it’s not until you see another child who hasn’t done that, that you suddenly realize actually, my child is my child is brilliant and they are physically very strong. And some of those things you’ll then see in later life to how strong those children are. Um, I was talking to a mum recently of, uh, um, he’s not a little boy anymore. He’s 15 actually. And, um, he, he sails, um, he goes sailing and he loves sailing and he’s doing really well with his sailing. But she said you know, he is phenomenally strong. He can go out in high winds and the, you know, the adult instructors have said to him what, you know, he’s just amazing. He can control the sails and winds that you, you just wouldn’t expect at the age of that he is. Um, and I think a lot of that, she puts it down to him starting so young. I’ll be really honest with you. My daughter, who is now in her twenties, um, she learnt dive so scuba dive at the age of 12 and when she first started, the instructors were saying, you know, you’ll go down and you’ll use up all the air in your tank.

[00:24:36] Um, probably in about five minutes, 10 minutes, and then you’ll be back up to the surface. And that’s quite normal because you’re, you know, you may be panicking. Well, 15 minutes later, the instructor still hasn’t come up with her. And when he comes up, he says, she’s only used half a tank, um, my daughter started at five weeks old. So, you know, she has this phenomenal lung capacity. 

[00:24:56] Carla: That’s incredible. I mean, even, I mean, obviously it’s important to swim all year round, but I think the time that a lot of parents it highlights, how important is, is is those summer months when, you know, you might be going on holiday or you might be going around water and it’s just that nerve wracking feeling, isn’t it like, oh, what if my child fell in? Or what if this happened? What if that happened? I know I get a lot of these kinds of visions in my mind before we’re going on holiday and, and it’s just a worrying being around water, but having the confidence to know that your child is a safe around water must be absolutely amazing at such a young age.

[00:25:33] Tamsin: Yes, absolutely. And I would never, you know, with small children, I would never advocate leaving them on their own near water at all, but teaching them to respect water, um, and understanding, um, that’s, that’s, you know, it’s an environment in which they need to be sensible. At, you know, a child who, um, is frightened of falling into, into a pool or falling into the river is more likely to panic. And the last thing we need them to do is panic, because when you panic in water, that is where you’re more likely to drown. Um, we’ve had these terrible situations over the last couple of years where people have gone swimming because the weather has been so good and, and have drowned, which is just so tragic.

[00:26:13] Um, so teaching children to, you know, if they fell in. To actually react by reaching out and, you know, to hold onto something or floating on their back. Well, if it gives them 20 seconds, it’s 20 seconds more, but actually you’ve got time to, you know, to get in and, and get and get them out. Um, so all of those things we cover safety is a big factor in, in the Water Babies program. And from very early on, we teach safety skills. Um, the children don’t you know, at the age of a year, they don’t realize that their safety skills, but actually, um, their reactions to things they’re naturally, if they’re falling, we’ll turn around and start holding onto the side and doing things like that, which is what we want them to do.

[00:26:54] And, and, uh, and learn that that is important. So as I say, it’s very much about respect and supervising children. Um, and later on with our sort of three year olds, four year olds. Really, we do teach them some basic life skills. So understanding that if you’re going to try and help someone who may have fallen and you lie down in your tummy, um, and, and, you know, or, um, throw a reaching pole to them or, um, identifying the flags on the beach. So, you know, the children can identify where, where it’s safe to swim. So that they can you know, bring those sorts of things up and understand, you know, what that means. And if their parents are saying, well, you can’t swim here because the flag is saying, no, they understand why they can’t swim. So yeah, lots of things like that are covered in the lessons.

[00:27:37] Carla: So there’s so many benefits really, because not only are you bonding with your baby and, and all that, it’s also the safety side as well. And, and that’s something that. You know, um, my mum, we didn’t really go to swimming lessons and I’ve always been a bit scared of water and I would never want that for my child. You know, it’s that, that, that’s just amazing that you cover all that. And also obviously there’s going to be mental health benefits. Isn’t that really? Um, so can you talk a bit about those? 

[00:28:04] Tamsin: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I will say to you, Carla, I had a really bad experience as a child and, and actually that’s what started me down the route of setting up Water Babies and take, because I said my children would never be scared of water. Um, I had a swimming teacher, the age of five, who used to duck you underwater, um, as you were swimming along with a float, because she said, you know, it’s important. You understood. That that’s what happened. And even today now if someone jumped on me in the swimming pool. I think they might, might get it a little bit of a, you know, me reacting to that. So I completely understand where you’re coming from and that’s the last thing in the world I want. Um, I think, um, you know, swimming is, uh, is, uh, is activity, a physical activity and lots of researchers now showing how important it is that, um, that children, but adults as well, do physical activity to help with their mental health.

[00:29:03] And, um, I think, you know, being able to, you know, pregnant mums, um, spending going and sitting in a swimming pool or swimming up and down a swimming pool, very gently. It can really, really help balance you. It can really, really help bring down any anxieties and concerns and worries. Um, and I would say it’s back to that whole thing about bringing swimming in as being part of your fitness, um, attitudes within your family really. Um, so. There is, you know, there’s lots of, there’s a lot of research being done at the moment about pregnant women. If they are very anxious during their pregnancies, there is a high chance that anxiety will be part of their children’s lives as well. So if we can look after and go back to that stage when parents are, you know, when mums are pregnant, I should say, um, and help them in that sort of situation. I think that’s a really important factor. And bringing, you know, when it comes to their children, their babies and they’re new parents for the first time, looking after them and giving them the reassurance and making them feel safe in the pool is as important for the parent, as it is for the child. Um, if you feel safe, then you will relax.

[00:30:12] And one of the things that, again, a lot of research is showing is that if the parents are relaxed in the swimming pool, they create, uh, all the positive, lovely, oxytocin hormones that we need. Um, and that passes through to their children. So again the children will relax and be safe, um, within that swimming pool or feel, feel happy, I should say, within that swimming pool really.

[00:30:34] Um, so any activity, whether it is swimming, walking, jogging, anything like that is very good for your mental health. And we certainly would like to see, um, you know parents doing those activities with their children from a very young age so that the children start that off. Um, I heard a really interesting concept the other day, um, about thinking about your life as being a little bit like the jam jar and, um, for people who suffer from anxiety. And actually, if you fill the jam jar, you put sand in the bottom and fill it with water. If you’re feeling very anxious, if you associate that jam jar with your life, is it becoming full and everything is getting on top of you? Um, whereas actually, if you think about it as the sediment at the bottom is your genetics and what you’re made up of, um, you’ve got that. That’s part of you, but then if you actually think about the water as being all the things around you that make you happy. So your family, your friends, maybe your job, if you really love your job, um, the hobbies that you have. Um, the activities that you do, actually, your jam jar is getting fuller and fuller, of all the really nice positive things in this world.

[00:31:42] Um, and I think, um, you know, I, that’s a good, good way of thinking about for your children, fill that, fill their jam jars with all those lovely, positive things. 

[00:31:51] Carla: That is so nice. And, and finally, um, Tamsin, would you tell us a little bit about the benefits of continuing swimming like through the whole year? Because I know a lot of parents will start it in summer time and then, you know, it gets to winter time and then it gets a bit cold and it’s easy to kind of stop, but what are the benefits of carrying it on all year? 

[00:32:15] Tamsin: Well, so swimming all the way through the year. Um, First it’s the continuity. So it’s repeating and building on what you’ve done before. So there’s continuity, like anything that we do, the more we do it, the better we get at it. Um, and the faster we learn. So that’s, you know, the basics really of doing that. Um, there’s a lot of, um, talk about during the winter months, you know, the children get cold, they might catch colds. Um, they may get colds from the swimming pools, um, wet hair, um, makes, gives them colds. Lots of things like that, which actually they’re all, if I’m honest with you, they’re all myths. Um, we, we all catch colds because we come into contact with someone else who has got a cold or they’ve recently, um, you know, you can catch the cold from a supermarket trolley, for example. Um, and I would say in this world of pandemic, we that’s become very apparent, apparent to us.

[00:33:07] Um, so you know, other viruses work in that way as well. Swimming through the winter months is really good because it gives you routine. It gives you continuity. They help with mental health. Certainly. Um, it also, um, it, it means that you’re, you’re doing a physical activity. Generally the, you know, the swimming pools we use are warm, um, and the changing rooms, um, you know, your indoors, when you get changed, um, wearing a hat when you leave the pool and putting a hat on a baby is a good thing to do because we lose heat from our heads. But that’s just like wrapping up to go outside anyway, fresh air is good for us. Um, so getting out and about is really good for us. Um, even if it’s, you know, uh a, walk out in the countryside again, that’s, that is really important for us. So keeping that continuity going is, is great. It means that we’re doing some physical activity, um, and it means that it keeps our mind happy, happy, and healthy, and our body happy and healthy as well. And that’s the same for babies just as, as is. For us as adults as well. 

[00:34:08] Carla: That’s brilliant. Gosh. Oh, you’ve Tamsin you’ve gone through so much. It’s it’s amazing, honestly. Um, thank you so, so much. Can you tell parents where they can find you and Water Babies?

[00:34:23] Tamsin: Absolutely. Um, so if, if you’d like to know more about water babies lessons, um, and even if you just want to talk to someone who knows something about swimming, um, and I hope you can tell I’m very passionate about this. Um, have a look at our website, which has all the W’s Um, and you’ll find, um, a website where you can put your postcode in and will, and it will link you to your nearest, um, pools and offices. Um, and your starting points. You’ll find us all on social media. So we have a main Water Babies, a Facebook site, um, and, uh, our local offices, um, also have, uh, the pages linked to that and we have, uh, groups for all our mummies and daddies. So for me, um, I’m Water Babies Bucks and Beds, and you’ll find me on Facebook as Water Babies Milton Keynes, North Hampton and Bedfordshire. So I would love you to come and join us. And as I say, any questions, feel free to ask us, that’s what we’re here for. 

[00:35:17] Carla: Well, you certainly know, you know, your stuff Tamsin anyway and you can hear how passionate you are about it, which is absolutely amazing. So thank you so much for coming on today’s podcast. 

[00:35:28] Tamsin: Well, thank you, Carla. It’s been an absolute delight and really, really enjoyed it. Being able to share, um, you know, the subject I am very passionate about. Definitely. 

[00:35:36] Carla: Thank you. Take care. 

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Maternity Leave Mortgages Thu, 04 Nov 2021 10:39:27 +0000 Do you have a question about mortgages on maternity leave?

In today’s expert podcast we invite expert Lorraine Collie from Zing mortgages to answer all your questions about mortgages and maternity leave.

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  • Maternity Leave Mortgages

Do you have a question about mortgages on maternity leave?

In today’s expert podcast we invite expert Lorraine Collie from Zing mortgages to answer all your questions about mortgages and maternity leave.

We discuss mortgage holidays during maternity leave, re-mortgaging on maternity leave, family protection on maternity leave and how to get on the property ladder with bad credit and steps you can take today.

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[00:01:35] Hello, and welcome to my Bump 2 Baby Expert podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK to answer your questions on everything, pregnancy to preschool.

[00:01:59] Today. I am speaking to Lorraine Collie from Zing Mortgages in Bishop’s Stortford. And today we’re going to be talking all about mortgages on maternity leave. All your questions will be answered hopefully within this podcast. I hope you enjoy it.

[00:02:21] Hello everybody. And welcome to my Bump 2 Baby’s Expert podcast. Today, we are talking about a very important subject, maternity leave mortgages, everything you need to know about having a mortgage on maternity leave. And today I am joined by expert Lorraine Collie, who is our mortgage protection specialist in Bishop’s Stortford.

[00:02:47] Hi Lorraine. How are you? 

[00:02:49] Lorraine: Hi, Carla I’m great thanks how are you? 

[00:02:52] Carla: I’m very well thank you very well. So I’m really looking forward to talking to you on this subject. I actually am pregnant at the moment, so finding it very, very interesting finding out about how it works with maternity leave and mortgages. Um, so I’m looking forward to this, this chat, but do you want to introduce yourself Lorraine? Tell us a bit about you? 

[00:03:14] Lorraine: Yeah. And congratulations on your pregnancy. So I’m Lorraine, I’m a mortgage and protection advisor. I work for a company called Zing Mortgages, work from home, always did sort of base myself at home anyway. So I was kind of ahead of the pandemic in that instance. We work, a lot of the time at the minute is remotely, but we can do house visits if people are comfortable with that. Some people like, you know, have face-to-face contact still and that’s absolutely fine. So I do do face-to-face contact as well as, zoom appointments and telephone calls. It’s such a sensitive subject when you’re talking about people’s finances so often, they find it a bit more comfortable in their own homes.

[00:03:59] So I’ve been doing this for about three years now. And really enjoy it. I love watching people grow. You know, I’ve seen them go from buying their first house to the families coming along and then moving and upgrading and making sure that every step of the way they’re covered or if they, any unexpected surprises that come along that life like to throw at you. So we offer them insurance packages as well to make sure that you’re covered in the event of that happening. 

[00:04:29] Carla: That’s really good. No, that’s great. Um, cause I know you also cover the protection side of things as well don’t you?

[00:04:38] Lorraine: Yeah, protections a huge part of what I do. Cause I believe in it’s so much, you know we insure our homes, we insure our cars, even our mobile phones, but people forget about themselves and often you find it’s not until, somebody has a baby that it becomes, oh, right, this is, this is serious what’s going to happen if I can’t work, if my partner can’t work, you know, or the death of either one of you, you’ve all these scenarios going through your head.

[00:05:06] And it’s so important to make sure that you’re prepared so that if you do end up in that situation, you’re covered and it’s one less thing to worry about. So obviously when we’re starting out with first time buyers, we’ll look at covering your income if you’re unable to work. I mean, we’ve seen from the pandemic that people really struggled on 80% of their wages.

[00:05:27] Um, and, hadn’t really thought about it before. So we’re doing a lot of income protection at the moment where people are covering their income in the event of long-term sickness, meaning that their mortgages are still affordable. Also, um, life insurance to cover the mortgage on the death of either partner or yourself. Meaning the mortgage is completely paid off and also critical illness, critical illness, you know, one in two of us get cancer in our lifetime and it’s the most claimed on insurance site of them all. So at a time like that, the last thing you want to be doing is worrying about finances. So putting something in place to cover your mortgage and outgoings in that event is also really important. So we’ll kind of do an overhaul of your scenario how much, you know, we think you can live on, what your budget is each month, things that, yeah okay won’t need to include that. Cause that’s not a necessity and work to your, to tailor it to your personal needs.

[00:06:31] Carla: Absolutely. Yeah. I think what you’ve mentioned there, I think there’s a lot more people that are very open-minded when it comes to protection, because they’ve actually seen it firsthand what can happen if they can’t work. It’s so important. And I think something else I want to touch on while we’re talking about this, is a lot of people, you know, can think, oh, I’ll go online and just get it online. And it’s cheap and cheerful, et cetera. But, um, you know, I, I’ve known a lot of people that have actually gone to claim on insurance’s, and actually they’ve not been covered for what they thought. So that’s why, you know at My Bump 2 Baby, we think it’s really important to, to actually speak to a professional in the local area who knows you and can actually review the policy properly.

[00:07:16] Lorraine: Yeah. This is it, I mean, you know, shopping online is so popular at the minute, that a lot of people are doing it. But would you then go buy a car in Tesco, you know, no you would want advice on which car to get, what’s going to meet your needs. So definitely speaking to an expert. And there’s so many products available now, that you might not necessarily be getting the right one for you. Often there’s a misconception where people think. That they want to insure their life in the event of death, but actually you’re more likely to use a critical illness policy than you are a death policy, because you’re less likely to die within the term of your mortgage, but you are likely to be critically ill. So it’s about, you know, somebody knowing your circumstances, and knowing where there are gaps in that to cover you.

[00:08:08] There’s a really good policy as well called family income benefit. And this pays out on death. Obviously, you know, if you cover your mortgage, that thats paid off, but then how do you work? You know, often you’ve got lot of mums at home and one wage families. If that wage was to disappear. How do you survive? So we look at things like that as well. So we look at family income policy that would cover that wage on the event, in the event of death, meaning you’re covered all angles. So there’s a lot of things that people don’t think about. And again, it’s just, its about getting the best isn’t it? There’s no point in paying a monthly premium for something that’s not going to cover you if you were to be in that position.

[00:08:51] Carla: Exactly. And I think that’s a mistake a lot of people come back and they’ll say, oh, I made a mistake with that because they might’ve set it up 10 years ago. And it was obviously, you know, the younger you are, the cheaper it is, isn’t it a lot of the time. And then they’ve set it up and they’ve been paying into something that actually. Might not have paid out or it’s not actually suitable for their needs. And then it comes to that time and claiming, and it’s like, oh God, God, I’ve paid. It’s a double hit actually, because you’ve paid for it. And you’re not actually able to claim on it for some people. So, so it’s really, really important just to make sure that everything you know, is covered and your covered the best, best for you really. It’s not about kind of spending an absolute fortune. You, you do what you can afford, but it’s a case of making sure your family is protected should the worst happen. And unfortunately, there’s so many circumstances, the worst does happen. We all know someone that’s passed away young and you know, it’s, it is really sad. So, so that is, is something that’s really important. 

[00:09:51] Lorraine: Exactly. And when you touch on age there as well, you know, I deal with a lot of first time buyers and each time I’m like, please take some protection because you’re so young know that it’s really cheap. You’re going to come back to me in 10 years time with a wife and a baby, and you’re going to want insurance and it’s going to be triple the price. Because unfortunately it will go up each year. You know, your age does go against you when, when it comes to insurance. So it’s so important that you think about it and do it as early as you can to save yourself in the long term.

[00:10:24] Carla: Absolutely. So with the maternity leave mortgages. So with that, if someone is thinking of applying for a mortgage. But they’re going on maternity or they’re on maternity, and they’ve seen their dream house. Can they get that mortgage or not? 

[00:10:40] Lorraine: Yeah. So the lenders don’t discriminate against people going on maternity leave, obviously they all have a different view on it. There’s so much criteria surrounding it. Um, and they all, they’re all very different. But overall, um, the, some lenders will want to, will work on your last payslip before you went on maternity. They may request a return to work letter, to confirm that your due to return to work on the same terms and the same conditions, same hours, et cetera. And they’ll take that and they will use your full pay. Other lenders if you are on statutory maternity pay rather than, you know, full maternity pay. They might like to see a bit of savings, to prove that you can cover yourself for that year, while you’re out of work. So it’s not, it’s not a no, but there are different criteria’s with the various lenders. So again, it’s about speaking to someone in the know, so you can find one that fits with your circumstances.

[00:11:39] Carla: That’s great. So what would someone do if they’re on maternity leave and the partner’s got a full-time wage, but between them they’re really struggling to pay their mortgage. What are their options? 

[00:11:52] Lorraine: So with struggling to pay your mortgage. The first thing you’ve got to do is speak to your lender. It’s so important that you alert them immediately and don’t just stop paying it. When you speak to them, they can, there is various options that they have available to you depending on your circumstances. So they may give you a payment holiday. They may switch you to an interest only for a while. Which will lower your payments and make it more affordable for you. But speak to them because they are human and we’ve all seen again from the pandemic that they did offer payment holidays, then, you know, they were behind, their clients when it was, when they were in a difficult situation. So, um, always speak to them in the first instance and gain the help that you need. 

[00:12:36] Carla: That’s great advice. And, and during maternity leave, by being on maternity leave, does that affect future mortgages or is that just something they take into account? And that happens because people do have babies. 

[00:12:49] Lorraine: Yeah. So it won’t necessarily affect your future mortgages. I mean, if you’re going to return to work on the same terms and the same income, then you’re not going to be affected at all. If, for instance, you were return on part-time, so you’re not earning as much, then the next time you go to purchase the affordability won’t be as high as it was previously. 

[00:13:08] Carla: Right. Okay. That makes sense. And, and remortgaging, I assume that’s the same with buying a new property on, on maternity leave. You can’t, they won’t discriminate you against that. Is that right? 

[00:13:20] Lorraine: No. So again, it will go back to the criteria where they’ll assess the situation. They’ll either take your last pay slip from pre maternity and return to work letter. And then remortgage you from there. If you’re looking for extra borrowing again, the affordability will be assessed based on your new income. If you’re going to go back part-time or your full-time income, if that’s how you’re returning. So it’s really specific to everybody’s individual needs.

[00:13:49] Carla: Right. Okay. And, what about if you’re on maternity leave and you’re self-employed how does that work? Does that, is that a fairly similar, similar process? 

[00:13:59] Lorraine: Yeah, so with self-employed, um, it’s been really difficult because the lenders always worked off last years accounts and obviously when Covid happened they realised that hold on a second, we’re working off 2019 accounts but they might not have earned anything in 2020. So they’ve, they’ve kind of changed their criteria slightly whereby with self-employed they look at your accounts, but they also look at your business bank statements to see what sort of income you’ve had over the last three months. And then annualise. Um, to see if you’re in line to earn, what you’re you were earning.

[00:14:37] So it would work similar with maternity leave. And again, if you’re self-employed and not earning anything, but you do have this statutory maternity pay, they would use either that income or if you did have savings to back it up, then they would say, okay, yet if you’ve got a good track record, self-employed okay. We believe that when you returned to work. You’ll maintain the same income going forward. So they would look at it that way. So again, just down to each lender and finding the best lender for your situation. 

[00:15:07] Carla: And do you work with a few lenders then Lorraine? 

[00:15:11] Lorraine: Yeah so we’ve got access to over 150 lenders in our panel and we’ve good working relationships with them as well. So often when, as part of the research we would speak to individual lenders directly, we put scenarios out to the lenders and say, does this fit with you? How, can we make this work? So yeah, we build relationships with the various lenders and get to do their criteria inside out. Although it’s changed so much over the last year, it was really difficult to keep up. But we do have, we were bombarded with emails daily about changes to criteria. So we really, are as up to date as we can be, and we’re able to find out who’s best for what situation very, very quickly as well. 

[00:15:55] Carla: Thats great. And can you help people that have had debts previously, um, as well where they’re not really sure if they could quite get a mortgage, but they’d like to try?

[00:16:07] Lorraine: Yeah, I see. I’m seeing quite a lot of this at the minute where people are often afraid to come forward. Oh my friend told me, I can’t get a mortgage because I’ve got a default CCJ, whatever it may be. And thats total false information. This is where you really need to speak to an expert so that we can guide you through where you need to be. So it’s not necessarily a no, there our specialist lenders, that deal with people who’ve been in financial difficulty previously and will consider you, will consider your application. That might be reflected in the rates. But if it gets you where you want to be, you know, then it can be done. So again, it’s about speaking to someone who knows what they’re dealing with when it comes to that, and not been afraid to. We’ve all been there, you know, we’ve all been there were, we’ve got ourself financial difficulty, whether it be when we were young and silly or, you know, when we were older and suddenly things have just gone on top of us, you know, so don’t be afraid to come forward and speak and get help.

[00:17:09] You know, that’s the best thing to. And even if we can’t, even if we can’t do anything right now, we can put a plan in place. So often what I find with customers that have been impacted is, okay, I can’t help you at the minute, but in six months time, this is an option in 12 months time, this is an option. So then we can keep in touch and kind of maintain their credit report in the meantime, and work with them to get them to where they want to be. So I do, got a lot about the minute, especially with first-time buyers who are struggling with their credit, whereby i’ll just do three monthly phone calls with them to check in, see how the deposits going and see how their credit report is looking and keep in touch with them up until the point where we’re ready to move forward.

[00:17:57] Carla: That’s a great service that, because I think, I think a lot of, I mean, gosh, I’ve done it myself, um, years ago when you were at college and you know, you’re 18 and you go into the bank and they say, oh, do you want a credit card? You like, yeah. And it just feels like free money at the time. And you know, a lot of us have been there and. Um, when I, when I used to work in a bank. A lot of the people working behind the desk were actually targeted to sell you credit cards and stuff like that. So, so, you know, and it put a lot of people in situations where, you know, they, they might think they can’t get that mortgage. So I love that you said that, that don’t be afraid to come forward, because I think some people are very embarrassed about that. And, you know, you certainly not on your own, um, with that and, and making those mistakes, you know, So it’s, you know, a lot of people have done it. 

[00:18:49] Lorraine: Yeah. My downfall was store cards, you know, when you’re going into Topshop in Oxford street at 18, and they’re offering you a bit of plastic to put all these clothes on, you know, it’s hard to resist, but it’s all a learning curve as well, you know? And it can, it can be fixed. You know, you can just work towards getting yourself out of that situation. 

[00:19:11] Carla: Yeah, definitely. And some people as well who have kind of got themselves in these situations when they were maybe 18 and now they’re 30 something and they’re still too afraid to find out about getting a mortgage. I you know, I just want to reiterate, you know, get in touch with Lorraine, because it might be that she’ll be able to do something for you. And like she said, you know, a bit of a plan in place. If not, don’t be embarrassed by it. 

[00:19:36] Lorraine: Yeah, certainly. Unfortunately, because of the world that we’re living in at the minute, there is a lot of people who have been in financial difficulty over the last year, um, you know, are kind of trying to get themselves out of it at the minute. So definitely speak to someone, don’t sit and panic about it or listen to somebody in the pub who tells you one thing, you know, speak to an expert. And then that way you can put a plan in place to sort it all out. 

[00:20:01] Carla: That’s brilliant. That’s brilliant. And, and, um, also then if, if someone is thinking of getting a buy to let, perhaps during maternity and they’ve saved up money, obviously I think a bigger deposit needs to go down on those or is that different for each lender again? 

[00:20:18] Lorraine: Yeah, it can vary the buy-to-let mortgages. Generally, you’re looking at by a 25% deposit, however, there are some lenders that will offer a 20% deposit and again, based around your circumstances. So if you are on maternity leave and you’re looking for your first, buy-to-let then thats assessed slightly differently, because if you’re a first-time landlord, they want to ensure that you’ve got funds in place to cover any rental voids. However, once you go on and you’re purchasing a second or third buy-to-let they’ll then work off the rental income. So the first buy-to-let, just is a little bit more intense in affordability. Cause they want to know that you’d able to cover it basically, but once, you’re on the, the buy-to-let ladder, and you’re you have numinous properties then they tend to work on the rental income.

[00:21:08] Carla: Oh, wow. That’s really good. And, um, you can, if you’ve got a business, like we spoke about a bit further back. If you’re on maternity leave and you’ve got a business and you, and you went, um, you opted for buy to let there are ways around that that are fully legal around tax efficiency, that they can do it as well isn’t there?

[00:21:28] Lorraine: Yeah, So you can purchase property in a limited company as well. So special vehicles, as well can be used to purchase properties so that you’re not liable for them. Um, so yeah, that’s something to discuss with your accountant, if you’re thinking about a buy-to-let property, discuss with, your accountant how they think is best for your tax situation.

[00:21:51] Carla: That’s great. So Lorraine then, um, just, just to finish off I know i’ve, we’ve gone through quite a bit there, but I think that’s really useful. Everything that we’ve covered there. Oh, one thing I did want to ask is it about protection, during maternity leave. I know we kind of covered protection, but I don’t think a lot of people are, are aware. They can actually get protection whilst they’re pregnant? 

[00:22:15] Lorraine: Yeah. And often you find it’s when you’re in that situation of becoming pregnant that you start thinking about all these different scenarios. So yeah, absolutely you can, and you can insure yourself for as much and as little as you want, we can tailor the insurance to your budget as well. So it might not be possible to get you as much as what you know, you, you should have in place say. But we can tailor that to your budget. So come to me with a budget and we can work round that and figure out where the biggest gap is in your life for protection. And we can work with that. So, yeah, it’s definitely about putting a plan in place for yourself. Think about how much you would need. I mean it’s awful to think about death, and things like that. But it’s a conversations thats so important because you don’t want to be in that situation and then have that worry on your shoulders. So just think about your budget, what you can afford to live on, you know, what you would need in the event of the worst happening.

[00:23:14] Carla: Yeah, exactly. And also, you know, think for yourself, but also your partner, if your partner was unable to work for any reason anymore, could you actually you know, pay that mortgage. Could you continue making those payments? You know, when you’re off on maternity leave, obviously statutory maternity is, is quite low. If something was to happen, you know, are your covered?

[00:23:37] Lorraine: Yeah. This is like statutory maternity pay is £151.20 a week for 39 weeks. So that’s not a lot of money, but when you’re, you know, are in that planning stage of. You know, you find out you’re pregnant and you think, right. Okay. I’m going to have six or nine months off work. It’s always good to work on a budget and write it down. And I actually heard something really interesting last week and it was about having money dates. So we all go out on date night, but have a money date where you sit down and you discuss your money and where it’s going and what you want to achieve. So whether thats saving for your pension, you know, have a think about what you want in retirement and how you’re going to get there and discuss that openly. And also another thing they suggested was discuss that around your children so that your children are, then able to know about money because obviously we’re living in a plastic world at the minute where everything is paid on card. And kids I find are not getting, are not understanding the value for money.

[00:24:42] So it’s really important to open up that conversation and have it with them, um, as well, so that they are aware of yeah if you save up x amount of money, you can get here, or what would you like to achieve? You know whether it’s just some toy that they are after. Let them save gradually and see the growth in money. And how, what you can achieve from doing that. But yeah writing it down is always best.

[00:25:06] Carla: That’s great. It’s funny you say that actually me and my husband do, do do that and go through everything. And it is, is a case of just kind of keeping on top of things really, because you can be paying for things and, and you haven’t used them for so long, so really, really important to do. And also, like you said about the children actually made me giggle a little bit. My, my son has just handed me, um, a letter for Father Christmas. And I think it’s got listed on every single Smyth’s toy going. So he doesn’t know the value of money. I was like listed you can only have one, no, Santa brings everything. I thought this is just brilliant. So, so yeah, having a, having a clear, clear chat with you with your little ones about money, I obviously need to do that more is, is important. 

[00:25:51] Lorraine: Yeah. So, so actually, when you’re talking about Santa and money apparently, for every pound that the toy costs, it takes an elf a minute to make. So they can’t have really expensive toys. Cause the elves don’t have enough minutes to make all those expensive toys. 

[00:26:08] Carla: Oh, yes. I didn’t think of that. So I will be, uh, I’ll be reporting that back later. Thank you for that. If someone wanted to get in touch with you, you currently are offering free advice aren’t you. 

[00:26:20] Lorraine: Yeah. So the initial conversation is all at my own costs because I want to know that I’m able to help you before we charge a fee. So I’ll be speaking to clients for two years before I have had a penny out of them, you know. We put all this plan in place and we don’t charge anything until the point of mortgage application. So at that stage, you would have found a house, offer been accepted, and you’re ready to go ahead and start the mortgage. And it’s at that stage that we charge our fees. So if you just want to discuss something, you know, you want to discuss bad credit, buy-to-lets anything like that. Then please feel free to contact me and we can have a chat about it. 

[00:26:59] Carla: That’s brilliant. Lorraine, would you mind just telling people where they can find you and how they, how they are best contacting you at the moment?

[00:27:07] Lorraine: Yeah, so I can be found on Facebook Lorraine Collie Zing Mortgages and, or you can contact me via phone or my email address, which I believe is on the advert is that right? 

[00:27:19] Carla: It is, and I’ll pop all those details on the bottom of this podcast as well. So anyone that’s listened to this, if you just want to kind of scroll down. You’ll be able to see all of Lorraine’s details there. So you can make contact with her right away. Yeah. I highly recommend you speak to Lorraine and she will be able to help you with everything that we’ve discussed. So thank you so much. 

[00:27:39] Lorraine: Thanks for having me, Carla. 

[00:27:40] Carla: Thank you. 

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The Benefits of Cloth Nappies Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:16:14 +0000 Today Carla speaks with Lianne from Green Cheeks about cloth nappies. Lianne answers all of our burning questions about cloth nappies including; What cloth nappies are, when you can start using them, how many you need to get started, the benefits of cloth nappies, how to wash cloth nappies and how often they need to be changed.

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  • The Benefits of Cloth Nappies

Today Carla speaks with Lianne from Green Cheeks about cloth nappies. Lianne answers all of our burning questions about cloth nappies including; What cloth nappies are, when you can start using them, how many you need to get started, the benefits of cloth nappies, how to wash cloth nappies and how often they need to be changed. 

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[00:00:29] Hello and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby Expert Podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK. To answer your questions on everything pregnancy to preschool

[00:00:52] Today we invite on Lianne Stevenson from Green Cheeks Cloth Nappies, and Lianne is going to be answering all of our questions about what cloth nappies. I hope you enjoy this episode. 

[00:01:08] Hello everybody. And welcome to My Bump 2 Baby’s Expert Podcast. Today I am joined by the lovely Lianne Stevenson, the owner of Green Cheeks Cloth Nappies. Hi Lianne how are you?

[00:01:23] Lianne: I’m fine. Thank you. How are you?

[00:01:25] Carla: I’m good thank you. It’s actually quite sunny outside. So I’m quite happy today. 

[00:01:29] Lianne: Yeah, rogue sunny day. 

[00:01:32] Carla: Exactly. In October. It’s quite a nice, nice, a nice thing to wake up to. So we’re going to be today talking all around cloth nappies. Cause I know a lot of parents are curious, but they’re just not quite sure of the process. I mean, I am definitely one of those parents, so, um, so I’ve got a few questions that, um, other people have sent in. So are we okay to get started with those? 

[00:01:59] Lianne: Absolutely. 

[00:02:00] Carla: Perfect. So Lianne, first of all, tell us what cloth nappies actually are?

[00:02:07] Lianne: So a cloth nappy is a nappy that you don’t throw away. So it is a reusable nappy. Um, there are literally hundreds of different brands and probably 10 different types of cloth nappy that are out there in existence. But the principles all the same, it’s some sort of absorbent fabric, with a waterproof layer on the outside, is the gist of it, um, so nappy changing time, rather than bagging it up and throwing it away, you will store it in a bag or a bucket and wash it and start over again.

[00:02:42] Carla: So it’s definitely more eco-friendly to do it that way. 

[00:02:45] Lianne: Absolutely.

[00:02:46] Carla: So in terms of cloth nappies, when can you actually start using them? Would you use them from birth or would you wait a little while?

[00:02:54] Lianne: So personally, I waited a while. I started that about eight weeks. Um, well, first time, new mum, absolutely clueless about motherhood in general. Getting into breastfeeding? So, um, I would say if you, especially, if you’re a first time, mum, give yourself a break, like get used to all the other stuff first, before putting this extra pressure on yourself. You can do cloth nappies from birth. Most cloth nappies are called birth to potty. So the idea is they will take you from birth to potty-training because they adjust in size as your baby gets bigger.

[00:03:34] Um, but they only really work on bigger babies in the first place. So your sort of nine, 10 pounders. Um, you can buy special newborn cloth nappies, but then that’s a whole second set of nappies that you’ve had to buy, which you’ll use for about three months. 

[00:03:49] Carla: Yeah, definitely. No, that makes sense 

[00:03:52] Lianne: It can be done, but it’s an extra cost. And can be a bit stressful.

[00:03:57] Carla: And I like how you said that about the pressure, because I think has a new mum when you first have a baby, there is so much pressure around you and when things don’t work out, you can sometimes feel like, oh, I’ve failed at that. You haven’t , you have had a baby. 

[00:04:12] Lianne: Yeah. It’s hard having a baby, especially your first baby is hard. Everything is new to get used to. So if I l was you as a first time mum, I would leave it a couple of weeks. Spend some time when you’ve got a baby asleep on your shoulder, spend some time doing some research, look online, look at forums, look at Facebook groups. Learn what you can learn about it, because it is a bit different to disposables. There is a bit more to get your head around. Once you’ve got it, you’re fine. 

[00:04:39] Carla: It’s just getting in that routine. Isn’t it? And just knowing what you’re doing. So, so yeah. Oh no, that makes a lot of sense. So how many then cloth nappies, would you start with? How many do you need?

[00:04:53] Lianne: If you were going to go for it and do cloth nappies all the time. You need about 20 or 25? Um, so that’s based on washing them every two to three days. 

[00:05:04] Carla: Okay. 

[00:05:06] Lianne: Babies are very different and they change as they get older. Um, but if the average baby’s getting through six to eight nappies a day that gives you three days worth of nappies plus a day to wash them and dry them.

[00:05:19] Carla: So you’d start with around that amount and do a lot of companies then have like a starter pack or do you buy them individually? Or how, how does it work?

[00:05:29] Lianne: Yeah, there’s loads of different ways of doing it. So at Green Cheeks, we do do a starter kit where you can buy 12 nappies all at once, um, at a discounted price because. Another thing you can sort of suggest to people when you’re getting used to cloth nappies is to start at home, just buy some, get used to using them at home because then you’ll get used to how long your baby needs, uh, before they need changing.

[00:05:58] Carla: Yes. 

[00:05:59] Lianne: Um, because with a cloth nappy, there are a lot less forgiving. Once they full they’re full, that’s it. Whereas a disposable nappy, you’ve got a lot more chemicals and things in there which are sucking the moisture away. But when you’ve got a nappy that is cotton or hemp or whatever it is, once that’s full, there’s nowhere else for it to go, it’s, it’s going to come out the sides. So you kind of get need to get to grips with. How long your baby will last before needing a change, um, averages out about two to three hours, the cloth nappies, but every baby is different. And just when you think you’ve nailed it, they will change the game. Cause they’ll get a bit older and they hold the wee for a bit longer or they’ll, or you’ll start weaning or something will change.

[00:06:42] Um, so I mean, every nappy change counts you could even if you just had one or two cloth nappies a day that will massively impact the amount of, um, disposables you are throwning away. So literally start with one, just to see how you get on with it. Or if you want to just go, go for it. You want about 25. 

[00:07:02] Carla: Yeah. So you can kind of do like a bit of combi nappying. So when you were at home, you can put your little one in these cloth nappies because you at home, it’s a bit easier sometimes. And do it that way just to start and then slowly kind of spread out to more, if you want to. 

[00:07:17] Lianne: Yeah. Cause you’ll grow in confidence as you get used to doing it. 

[00:07:21] Carla: Right. Okay. Yeah. Two to three hours doesn’t seem so bad at all. Really. I mean, I know every baby will be different. Um, but that doesn’t seem like I, I just wondered whether it was a constant flow at a young age of wee. I dont know.

[00:07:36] Lianne: There is a difference to, and what your nappy is made of. So like, um, generally you’ve got microfiber. These are things that the, the absorbent bits that are inside the nappy. So you’ve got microfiber, you’ve got bamboo, cotton and hemp are the four main components for the absorbent part of a nappy. Microfiber tends to be the cheaper end of the nappies not always the case, um, but actually holds the least amount of liquid. So the, and in general, the higher you go up the absorbency. The more wee you’re going to hold the longer they will last. There’s something to be said for combining absorbances,you combine, um, microfibre with a hemp, for example, inside the nappy. And then by doubling up, you’re helping with how much you are going to absorb. 

[00:08:31] Carla: Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. It’s quite a minefield, honestly, only because I personally, I use nappies, but I’m really into the kind of helping the environment and looking into it and stuff like that. Cause I’m expecting at the moment. Yeah, it does interest me like how, it seems like there’s a lot to it, but really it is just replacing that nappy and just learning. But yeah, it is a bit different in terms of keeping an eye on it. So, so the benefits of cloth nappies, I mean, I can think of quite a few off the top of my head but can you share, share what, you know, cause you’ll know a lot more than I do.

[00:09:11] Lianne: Yeah. So one of the big things is cost. So, um, the average baby from birth to potty training saying that potty training is at around three years old. We use about 5,000 nappies, 5,040. I worked out the last time I did the maths. Um, and if you work that out in terms of premium brand nappies. That will cost you about a thousand pounds in nappies over those over those three years, um, 25 Green Cheeks nappies with boosters. So double the amount of absorbency would cost you 345 pounds. So, that’s a, there is a big cost saving there.

[00:09:52] Carla: Thats huge yeah.

[00:09:53] Lianne: The same nappies for your second, third, fourth. However many kids you have that then that cost gets even, even less. Um, plus once you have potty-trained you’ve done it. There’s a resale value to nappies you can there’s loads of, um, Facebook marketplace deals. So you can sort of recoup some of your costs once you finished potty-training and it gets some costs back that way as well. So you can really drive the cost down of your nappies.

[00:10:23] Wow. That’s 

[00:10:24] Carla: amazing. I didn’t realize that even existed. That’s really good. 

[00:10:28] Lianne: Yeah. Money-wise is a big thing.

[00:10:30] Carla: Yes of course.

[00:10:32] Lianne: Environmental factors. So rough stats, 7 million trees are cut down every year to make disposable nappies. Cause they are all, most of what’s inside is all like, um, paper pulp, which is, which is in there so loads of nappies. Lots of people argue that, um, does the environmental factor really weigh up. Like if you’re washing nappies, does that really work out much better? Um, it actually takes nine gallons of water to make one disposable nappy.

[00:11:06] Carla: Oh my goodness. 

[00:11:08] Lianne: I should have checked, but modern washing machines these days, I don’t think even use that much to, um, wash all your nappies. So you consider, consider that as you environmental. 

[00:11:20] Carla: Yeah goodness. 

[00:11:22] Lianne: And then there’s all the other raw materials that go into making disposables. It is just a lot more, is used for disposables and then you jus throw them in the bin.

[00:11:32] Carla: And then also, I suppose it’s the baby’s skin as well. Isn’t it? 

[00:11:35] Lianne: Yeah another big one because there’s no chemicals. You, nappy rash is very rare. Um, infection, very rare. Um, there is an argument for cloth nappy babies, potty train easier. 

[00:11:50] Carla: Yeah, that would be, I did wonder that actually I thought that might be the case. 

[00:11:55] Lianne: And it’s something to do with, because they’ve been used to. Disposable nappies, the chemicals in them suck away any moisture so the baby is left, feeling dry all the time. With cloth nappies there is like a liner in them, but the back left feeling a bit more damp than what they would’ve done. So when it comes to potty training that can ease the process.

[00:12:16] Carla: They would know that they, um, they need changing really wouldn’t they, I suppose.

[00:12:22] Lianne: And then become more aware of it. 

[00:12:24] Carla: Yeah, no that does make sense. 

[00:12:27] Lianne: Oh, landfill is not the big one. 

[00:12:28] Carla: Oh yes. Yeah. 

[00:12:30] Lianne: Yeah. 3 billion nappies we send to landfill every year and they take about 500 years to decompose. The whole time they’re in there, they’re releasing methane gases. 

[00:12:42] Carla: Oh my God. 

[00:12:43] Lianne: Lots of environmental factors to consider. 

[00:12:46] Carla: So by even, even if someone was thinking of not going the full way with cloth nappies and they just wanted to even make a small difference to the environment and to their pocket as well, they could just do it at home. Cause for me like I think, oh God, this I’d be a bit nervous initially going out with it. But that’s not to say that you, like we said earlier, you could kind of start and then kind of progress as you go on. So that’s, that’s really interesting. So what’s the process then from kind of putting that cloth nappy on your baby to, you know, washing it, drying it, and then putting it back on again in a few days time.

[00:13:30] Lianne: So. Babies, babies in a wee, let’s do wee first cause that the easy one. 

[00:13:36] Carla: Oh yeah.

[00:13:41] Lianne: If it’s just wee all you need to do, you don’t need to soak it or bleach it or anything with it. All you do is take off the baby and store it somehow. So in a bag or a bucket or whatever you going to do with it, put it in there. And then two or three days time you’ll wash it. If there’s a poo in it. So before baby is weening. Don’t do anything, uh, pre-weaning baby poo is fully water-soluble, so you can chuck the whole thing poo and all in the washing machine. Once you start weaning things get a bit more, a bit more exciting. You then get the poo off before you wash it or you will just have turds in your washing machine. 

[00:14:27] Carla: Yeah, just floating around. Yeah. That’s probably happened to me before. Not me or my husband, probably my son actually. When the odd nappies been thrown in there and you don’t realize, oh yeah, that’s happened. 

[00:14:40] Lianne: But did you know. You know, pooey, nappies. It’s I know this is gross, but even with disposable nappies, you aren’t supposed to put poo in the bin, you’re supposed to take, the poo out before.

[00:14:49] Carla: Oh really?

[00:14:50] Lianne: Yeah you aren’t meant to send poo to landfill.

[00:14:53] Carla: Oh wow goodness.

[00:14:55] Lianne: No one does and no one really knows.

[00:14:58] Carla: Right. So show with the poo then what are you, what are you? What’s the right thing to do then with poo? I never thought I’d ask that question.

[00:15:08] Lianne: Hows your monday morning going?

[00:15:11] Carla: Its nearly lunchtime as well. I don’t know if I can handle it.

[00:15:16] Lianne: Once you’re into weaning. You’ll get to a point where it’s a normal poo. So you can just tip it down the toilet and it’ll fall off. Whereas in between stage when you’ll have to get a bit more, um, get your hands dirty, I suppose. But. With me, my shower head from the bath, will reach the toilet. So I would then get the shower head, put it on the jet mode and blast the poo off into the toilet.

[00:15:44] Carla: And it wouldn’t take long. I assume. It’s just like a quick thing.

[00:15:48] Lianne: And let’s be honest babies are pooey, smelly, sicky things anyway, like it’s not the most clean experience is it? When you are in motherhood. 

[00:15:57] Carla: No. Definitely not. I smelt of sick the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. No, that, that makes sense. So it’s just finding the thing that works for you really, I suppose, in that sense.

[00:16:07] Lianne: Yeah. Yeah. You can either scrape it off or squirt it off or it’ll fall off.

[00:16:11] Carla: Pick it off. Well not with your hands.

[00:16:13] Lianne: You can also liners too. You can get liners that you put inside the nappy. So when it’s those, you take the liner out.

[00:16:19] Carla: Oh that’s. Yeah. So there’s quite a few options in terms of that. So once they’ve gone in the bucket, you know, when you talk about this bucket, does the bucket have water in or anything, or?

[00:16:29] Lianne: No.

[00:16:30] Carla: Just an empty bucket. So they’re in there. And then when it’s time to wash. When you’ve got a few in there, what, what’s the process then? 

[00:16:39] Lianne: So it chuck them all in the machine and put it on a cold wash for your shortest wash, about 20 minutes, half an hour. Cold wash. What that will do is clear out the wee from inside the fabric. And then, um, after doing a cold wash, go again, um, a long hot wash in you’re washing machine. It’s really important to check, um, your washing powder dosage, because it varies so much between hard water and soft water and the size of your washing machine. So you need to check all that out to make sure they’re using the right amount of powder for your circumstances. Because these are the dirtiest thing you ever gonna wash. So you’ve go to use the right amount of washing powder for it. And you can, if you weren’t doing full-time nappies, you only had like five to wash, for example, you can put anything else in there with it. So maybe clothes or flannel towels, or bulk the wash up. The other thing you shouldn’t do is don’t use fabric softener, it coats the fabrics, actually makes it repel. Um, liquid. 

[00:17:50] Carla: Oh, wow. Right. Okay. So you shouldn’t use those. Um, is there any washing powder that you shouldn’t use that’s going to damage these or, or harm the lifetime of these, these cloth nappies? 

[00:18:02] Lianne: Oh yeah. There’s all, there’s all sorts of minefield of information about wash powder. In general, we recommend non bio. You’ll get a different answer with everyone that you ask. 

[00:18:15] Carla: Yes. No, that’s fine. That makes sense. 

[00:18:18] Lianne: I would say use non bio and don’t use stain removers or bleach on them because that can damage the fibres. Washing cloth nappies is one of the most contentious topics in the cloth. nappy kingdom. 

[00:18:32] Carla: Yeah I bet, I bet. It’s just, yeah, until, you know, you’re just not sure are you? But with, with the, um, so once the nappies have been washed are they often hung out to dry, or can you put them in the dryer or would you put them on radiators? How would you dry them? 

[00:18:50] Lianne: You can tumble dry them on low. Um, obviously, in terms of being environmentally friendly, outside on the line is the best way for it, but winter that ain’t going to happen. So you can tumble dry it. It can go on the radiator. Um, the only thing to be aware of on radiators is, um, any plastic parts avoid putting those directly on the radiator because if it gets to hot you will end up melting the thing, but yeah. You can get these, you know, the things you get for hanging socks up?

[00:19:17] Carla: Yeah.

[00:19:18] Lianne: Those are good.

[00:19:19] Carla: Oh yeah, of course. So you could, I suppose if you’ve got a maiden and you just put it, we’ve got a boiler cupboard you see that gets really hot, so you could just kind of store it in there. Couldn’t you? Put them in there. Right. Okay. That’s great. That’s interesting. So it actually sounds like a pretty simple process really.

[00:19:39] Lianne: Yeah because they wee, you wash it, put it back together again and off you go. 

[00:19:45] Carla: Thats it. Great. So how often do you think then you need to buy a new set of cloth nappies? Do they, do they go up in, in what sizes?

[00:19:55] Lianne: So if. Your average baby. If you’re starting at about eight weeks and you’ve got like a 14 pound baby by then, and I don’t know how quick, babies get bigger these days, mines three now. So I’ve forgotten, what size they were. But if you’re starting from about a 10 pound baby, up to the age of about three, the sale set of nappies will do you for that entire time, you won’t need to buy any bigger ones.

[00:20:22] Um, if you. Potty training doesn’t go so well. And the child gets older or they’re not dry at night, then you’re going to need to think about that when you get to three and there are nappies out there for bigger children, um,but in general, your birth to potty nappies.

[00:20:39] Carla: Wow.

[00:20:41] Lianne: Yeah, cause they have, um, you have a thing on the front. They have these like little, I know this is going to be a podcast, but there’s a thing on the front so that you can take it down from being its smallest, which is that 

[00:20:57] Carla: Oh so you’ve got, is it like a clip or button? 

[00:21:00] Lianne: Yeah its like poppers on the front of it. So you like clip it, that’s its smallest size. 

[00:21:03] Carla: Oh right. Great. 

[00:21:05] Lianne: And as the baby gets bigger. You undo, you undo those and that’s its biggest.

[00:21:08] Carla: Oh wow great.

[00:21:10] Lianne: So yeah. So, so one, one of those would do you. 

[00:21:14] Carla: Oh, yeah, so basically you can just grow. They grow with the baby then. So that’s, that’s even more cost-effective. 

[00:21:21] Lianne: Yeah you haven’t got to buy a different set for when they get to one or whatever, it’s the same, the same set. 

[00:21:27] Carla: Do you know what it’s probably always, even if you’re thinking cloth nappies and for someone, you know, anyone listening to this, even if you’re not thinking it’s not for you yet, we’ve all had. Well probably not everyone because there’s a lot of organized, super organized people out there. But I have at times that I’ve gone, like to put a nappy on my little boy and I’m like, uh oh, where are they. So I think cloth nappies are a great option to have anyway. You know, like, even if you’re not going to be doing it all the time, you’d never know when you’re going to need one, put it in your changing bag and things like that. And it just, um, That’s great, but obviously this, this podcast. We want to encourage people to be more environmentally friendly. And also there are so many, so many options, really. So I guess your main advice then, what would you say if you were thinking about starting out? 

[00:22:21] Lianne: So give it a go. Buy a couple. Um, I wouldn’t go out and buy a 25 all in one go. Research a couple of brands, buy a couple, um, and try it out at home. Um, you can also hire them, you know, there’s um, across the UK is a whole chain of nappy libraries so that you can actually find someone locally. Were you can borrow their nappies for four weeks. Um, so you can try out, um, I’m actually a part of this group called The Cloth Collective. We’ve just started a nationwide hire group. Eight small brands and we put together this kit, you can hire it from us for 30 days. So you get to try all these. In it is every, every single different type of nappy that exists from eight different small business. 

[00:23:10] Carla: That’s great. That’s lovely that you’re all in it together.

[00:23:15] Lianne: Yeah.

[00:23:15] Carla: I love that.

[00:23:16] Lianne: Eight mums, all work at home mums, all that want to make a positive change to the world and the cloth nappy community. So we, yeah, we put together. We only launched it a month ago? Maybe not even that.

[00:23:29] Carla: That’s brilliant. Great. Oh, that’s really interesting. So I think that’s covered everything, but, um, Lianne, could you tell us a bit more about your brand and where, where when you started and also where people can find your, your nappies? 

[00:23:45] Lianne: Yeah. Yep. So Green Cheeks, um, was born out of my own cloth nappy journey with my son. I knew when I was pregnant, I wanted to use cloth nappies, but I didn’t have the faintest idea about it. I, I thought I was the only person in the whole world that had this crazy idea. So, um, the nappies that I bought to start with were very close to being absolutely useless. Um, but it’s, it took me a while to find my way onto forums and websites to sort it out.

[00:24:14] Um, and what I found, the sort of nappies that I wanted to use, um, didn’t quite exist. So we always preferred Velcro fastening ones because they are much more like a disposable to put on. Cause they the alternative is ones that pop like snap together. Um, most of those that I found that are out there didn’t have a very high level of absorbency inside them.

[00:24:42] So Green Cheeks are mostly an easy to use Velcro nappy, um, but the absorbent material inside is hemp, which is one of the most absorbent fabrics there are. Plus one of the most environmentally friendly ones to grow as well, hemp. But yeah, so it’s really easy to use but highly absorbent and not be stupidly expensive.

[00:25:07] So they start from £9.85 for one nappy, and that gets you, um, easy to use with hemp nappies inside. And they’re online it’s is my website and it’s Green Cheeks Cloth Nappies on social media, if you want to follow me for general nappy nonsense.

[00:25:29] Carla: No, thats great. Really interesting. So thank you so much for coming on today to talk to us anyway, because it’s definitely a question. I’ve had these questions for so long in my mind thinking, and it’s just good to kind of have them all answered. If anyone else has got any questions, I’m sure Lianne would be happy to answer.

[00:25:48] Lianne: Yeah yeah. Send me an email, or message or find me. 

[00:25:50] Carla: Oh, perfect. So thank you so much for being our guest today anyway. 

[00:25:54] Lianne: Thank you for having me. It’s been great. Thank you. 

[00:25:56] Carla: Thank you. 

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Sleep Regression Wed, 29 Sep 2021 08:47:03 +0000 Today host Carla Lett speaks with child sleep expert Jemma Munford on sleep regression.
Jemma answers all of your questions on the dreaded sleep regressions, this includes;
What is sleep regression?
What are the signs of the sleep regression?
When does sleep regression happen?

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  • Sleep Regression

Today host Carla Lett speaks with child sleep expert Jemma Munford on sleep regression. 

Jemma answers all of your questions on the dreaded sleep regressions, this includes;

What is sleep regression?

What are the signs of the sleep regression?

When does sleep regression happen?

Why does sleep regression happen?

What are your top tips for surviving sleep regression?

Can you avoid sleep regression?

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[00:00:20] Hello and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby Expert Podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK. To answer your questions on everything, pregnancy to preschool. Today, we are talking about a topic that many parents want answers to, and that is sleep regression. My guest today is Jemma Munford from Blissed out Babies. I hope you enjoy this episode.

[00:01:09] Hello everybody and welcome to My Bump 2 Babies Expert Podcast. Today, I am joined by sleep expert, Jemma Munford, and Jemma is part of Blissed out Babies. And today we’re going to be talking all about sleep regression. So hello, Gemma, how are you? 

[00:01:31] Jemma: Hi, Carla, I’m great. Really happy to be here, to talk about what lots of parents worry about. Um, and hopefully offer some tips. 

[00:01:39] Carla: Brilliant. Sleep regression is a subject I see so many parents talking about regularly or a lot of the time mentioning in the four month sleep regression, but actually it’s so much more than that. So I’m really looking forward to speaking to you on this subject. Um, so Jemma, can we start with, what is sleep regression?

[00:01:59] Jemma: So I suppose in its ultimate definition of sleep regression is where sleep gets worse. Or goes back to how it was before. Now the term of regression is a bit of a complex one really because actually what’s going on in our little babies or our child or our toddler is that they’re actually progressing in some sort of development or the brain’s growing or something is growing or changing rather than regression would say getting worse or going backwards. So actually it’s a progression rather than a regression, but it’s often a period of time that where asleep does go out the window a little bit. 

[00:02:37] Carla: Yeah. Yes. We know about that as parents don’t we? So what are the signs of sleep regression then?

[00:02:45] Jemma: So commonly, you’ll see things like your child might start fighting naps. So what might’ve been an easy kind of reasonably consistent, predictable routine. Suddenly goes out of the window, you know, 10 o’clock they usually nap, no today they are kind of kicking off a bit, having a cry, um, maybe not even, not even tired. Um, they might, so they might be fighting naps. Bedtime, sometimes can go in a similar way. So if you’ve previously had quite a simple, smooth bedtime, and your baby seems ready to go to sleep, all of a sudden, they’re fighting bedtime as well, don’t appear to be tired. And sometimes it will mean that they’ll wake a lot more overnight as well. Um, all the fun things. 

[00:03:29] Carla: Oh yeah. The thing is, it’s hard, isn’t it for parents because you know, they do. I mean, George, he used to have two naps, like one in the morning, one in the afternoon, and sometimes it’s hard to know are they just growing out of their naps or is this just kind of part of the sleep regression? Really? 

[00:03:44] Jemma: Yeah. I would say if, um, if everything’s previously been working well and all of a sudden, they start fighting the second nap, if they have a nap in the morning. That might be time to just reduce that morning nap to see if the second nap still happens. So if you have a fiddle around with timings and it’s still happening, then highly likely that it’s going to be some sort of developmental or sleep regression, um, that that’s impacting their sleep. So sleep regressions often happen for two to four weeks at a time. So, um, if it’s just a day or so, then it’s probably nothing, but if it’s consistently happening, it could be a sleep regression. 

[00:04:27] Carla: Right. Okay. So, so when does sleep regression happened in a baby, toddlers, child’s life? 

[00:04:36] Jemma: So we’ll keep it to the first couple of years just for the, for this podcast, because we could talk about it a long time. But essentially the common time you’ll, everyone will have heard of is the four month sleep regression. And actually that can happen anywhere between three and six months. There’s often a little blip around six months, eight months ish. 10 months, ish dare I say it, 12 months as well. And then often 14 to 18 months. That can be a little bit of a tricky period as well. And the things to look out for is if your child’s learnt a new skill. So say they are chatting a lot more or, or they started rolling or crawling any of those big, major developments that you can really tell, um, they learnt a fantastic new skill, often sleep will be impacted and it’s because so much is going on in the brain. Um, but yeah, the most common one people have heard of is a four month sleep regression. Um, but actually it happens between three and six. So that’s not even very predictable either. 

[00:05:39] Carla: Yeah. I’ve seen a lot of people talk about that one or perhaps that’s the one that people know more about.

[00:05:44] Jemma: I think so. And I think, um, naturally when, you know, there’s lots of mums chatting together, cause you go and start at a baby group. I think it’s just more spoken about, because naturally there’s lots of mums going through that same thing at the same time. Um, and interestingly, the four month sleep regression is very different to the others. Um, some of the others are related to gross motor skills like walking or, um, or, or speech coming in or separation anxiety. The first one, the four month sleep regression is more about, um, how our sleep architecture changes.

[00:06:19] So. Instead of children having deep sleep, light, sleep, deep sleep, light sleep, which happens from newborn. Um, up until about this time, they start to have a sleep cycle thats a little bit more like an adult. So it goes through lots of different stages of sleep. Um, and it’s a huge, it’s the biggest change to our sleep structure that we go through as humans. So it’s quite significant sometimes, but that one is slightly different to the others, which are more developmental related. 

[00:06:48] Carla: Oh, wow. Right. Oh, I see what you mean oh this sounds interesting. So, so I know you covered it a little bit with the, um, with them changing and reaching. What’s the word milestones, but is that why sleep regression happens then? Or can there be other factors? 

[00:07:06] Jemma: Yeah. So often, often it is related to developmental change. So things like rolling crawling, they take a huge amount of brain power. Um, and often our little ones want to practice these things in the night. Did you, did you ever get with George that he’d be rolling around in the middle of the night or trying to pull up to stand in his cot when he should be laying down.

[00:07:26] Carla: Oh Yes. Yes. I know. That’s it? Yeah. Just, just being George basically. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

[00:07:34] Jemma: Even when the chatting, you know, that vocabulary is coming in, you know, they just can’t help themselves and the just want to chat away. So all these little things. It takes a lot of brain power and that can impact, how they settle. Sometimes sleep can obviously be impacted by other things. So it could be that they’re feeling unwell, maybe they’re teething, um, things like that. But. They will usually pass a lot sooner. Um, often, often a little bit quicker than a usual sleep regression, which I would say, like I say, probably two to four weeks usually. Um, if it sooner that it passes, that’s great. Um, but often you’re in for a couple of weeks, at least I would say. 

[00:08:16] Carla: Yeah, that’s great. So, so, so what, what would be your top tips for surviving sleep regression? I bet you get asked this a lot.

[00:08:27] Jemma: I do yeah, I do and you know, sometimes in the sleep coaching process, Um, you know, if I’m work, if I’m working one-to-one with a client for a couple of months, sometimes in the middle of that period, there’ll be a sleep regression. And actually often we might need to pause what we’re doing. Because if you think about it, there’s so much going on in your baby’s brain they’re learning, how it’s a roll, which involves so many different muscles and coordinating that they’ve got the intention to do it. They’ve got the strength to do it. There’s a lot that’s going on there.

[00:08:59] If you then start trying to change the routine or how you settling them to go to sleep, or something, you know, significant like that there’s too much going on there. And actually you’re probably going to do a lot of hard work for no result. So if you’re expecting that your baby might come to the four month sleep regression sometime soon, it’s really nice to get into some really good sleep habits first.

[00:09:24] So if, if you’re in an nice bedroom, you’ve got a nice bedtime routine. If you’ve kind of having, just about the right amount of sleep in the day, you know, you’ve got some good practice, like having it dark at nighttime and having it nice and bright in the daytime, um, and following all their sleep cues, um, that is really good sleep hygiene. And it’s fantastic to have that in place before the regressions hit, because you’re already got those things that are going to help, um, other things, uh, just making sure that you’re able to rest because actually. Dealing with a child in a sleep regression. It’s very tiring. Isn’t it? I mean, I, I remember with my two, my, my daughter’s eight month sleep regression, which was pretty tough, um, and actually it impacted me more the did her, I think, because I was just so exhausted.

[00:10:16] So. Making time to get some rest in the daytime. If your nighttime is awful, which it can be. Is a really good tip. So try and have some time where you’re doing something for yourself that you feeling like, you know, it’s not relentless looking after your baby all the time. Try and get a bit of a break so you’ve got some time to yourself.

[00:10:38] Um, And just, just look at things like, are they having enough sleep in the day? Are they having, um, are their wake windows about, right. So they’re not too tired, they’re not over tired. Cause some of those things can impact the night and it can look like a sleep regression, but perhaps it’s not. So just having a look at their sleep needs as well and just make each other that your child’s getting what they need. But look after yourself, get help if you can and try and rest in the daytime, if the nighttime’s awful 

[00:11:06] Carla: Yeah. Yeah, no, that’s great advice. Um, so another question for you, can you avoid sleep regression? 

[00:11:16] Jemma: So I would say probably not. Naturally there are going to be some children who just sail through these developments and it has no impact on their sleep. I mean, very rarely do I come across a parent with a baby that has slept brilliantly from very tiny, all the way through childhood. Just, you know, those do exist I’m sure Unicorn children. So you know what you can’t avoid it, for every single development. Um, but the thing to remember is it might not be as bad as you think.

[00:11:53] So what I would say to mums and dad who were perhaps worried about regressions is don’t worry about it. Don’t anticipate that it’s this all of a sudden everything’s going to be terrible. Cause actually it might not be and you’re worrying for no reason. So I would say, just make sure that you’re doing those, you know, good sleep hygiene things. Making sure you, you know, you’re, you’re in a good, in good routine, good habits with your baby. Um, and you’re in the best position there for it not to impact as much hopefully. Um, but no I don’t think you can run. 

[00:12:27] Carla: No, you might be one of the lucky ones though. You might be. And but yeah, I think a lot of parents seem to worry about it cause they hear about it and it’s like, oh god, the storm is coming. 

[00:12:38] Jemma: Absolutely. And I think we’ve got the wonder weeks app haven’t you your where you can actually see the storm coming.

[00:12:43] Carla: Oh wow, oh I didn’t know that?

[00:12:46] Jemma: So the Wonder Weeks is a fantastic book. In fact, this is how much I like the wonder weeks book. Yeah so if you are watching on video then, um, that is a great book and you can you can have it as an app and it just, um, In the app, it’s got a little diary, so you can see where big changes in development are happening. It doesn’t mean that there’ll be a sleep regression at that time, but what’s handy in that app is you can kind of see what’s going on with your baby and why there might be a bit grumpy at that time. It’s really interesting.

[00:13:16] Carla: Oh, that’s really useful. Thank you for that. So, so Jemma, obviously you offer sleep help. So can you tell us how you work with clients? Because I know a lot of people have different ways that they want to work with you. So you’ve got a few different, different ways, haven’t you? 

[00:13:32] Jemma: Yeah, absolutely. So, um, yeah, so, um, um, I’ve got the highest level of qualifications you can get in sleep coaching. Um, and I’ve been doing this for three or four years now, so. 

[00:13:42] Carla: Oh wow. Well done.

[00:13:43] Jemma: Thank you. And I do it because I am rubbish when I get no sleep. So, you know, I, and I have total empathy with my clients because I’ve got a sleeper and a non sleep in my children. So, um, you know, I try and cover all bases with the way I run my business. So you can work with me. One-to-one where, um, you will send me a sleep diary. I’ll have a look at what’s going on.

[00:14:05] We’ll chat through how you live your lives. Um, what your goals are and we put a plan in place, and then I support you and handhold you through implementing that plan. So that’s kind of the top level. Um, the middle level is, um, some group coaching so I do probably once, four times a year. I tend to open my group coaching up to, um, a small group of parents who work together to go through the process.

[00:14:30] Carla: Oh thats nice.

[00:14:31] Jemma: It’s really supportive. Um, you get a little Facebook group where you can all chat, um, and we work together in that. So that was great. And then I’ve got my online stuff as well. So I’ve got a range of online sleep courses where people could just purchase online, work through it at their own pace. And if you do want to get some support from me directly, after doing that, then you get a discount on the, um, the one-to-one as well. So that’s the DNA sleep program, which is online.

[00:15:00] Carla: Yes. We’ve done a review on that, actually one of our area managers absolutely loved it because it worked for her because she just said she wanted to work through something and do it that way.And its so cost-effective, um, you know, I was just saying to you before it’s cheaper than a night in a hotel, so, you know, it’s, it’s brilliant. It’s a really good way to do it, but that’s brilliant. Thank you so much for answering all of those questions. It will help a lot of people. So Jemma, can you just remind people where they can find you? 

[00:15:33] Jemma: Absolutely. Yeah. So I am actually based in Manchester, but work online. So if you’re a northerner, uh, feel free to drop me a message and maybe we can meet up for a coffee. If not, then you can catch me at Blissed out Babies, and I’m on Instagram and Facebook, and you can see my website too. I’ve got loads of free resources on the website for people needing help. 

[00:15:54] Carla: Oh, that’s brilliant. So, um, I’ll put those links on the end of this podcast, so everyone’s got them. So thank you so much, Jemma. That was really useful.

[00:16:02] Jemma: Thanks Carla. 

[00:16:03] Carla: Thank you. 

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Breast Cancer during Pregnancy Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:40:32 +0000 "We have your biopsy results back...its cancer."Welcome back to Season 3 of Fifty Shades of Motherhood! This week Carla talks to the brave Keisha Chadwick. Keisha discusses how she discovered a lump whilst pregnant and learning that she had breast cancer shortly after giving birth.

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“We have your biopsy results back…its cancer.”

Welcome back to Season 3 of Fifty Shades of Motherhood! This week Carla talks to the brave Keisha Chadwick. Keisha discusses how she discovered a lump whilst pregnant and learning that she had breast cancer shortly after giving birth.

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[00:01:55] Hello everybody. And welcome to Fifty Shades of Motherhood today. I am speaking to an incredibly brave lady Keisha Chadwick. Keisha has just given birth to her gorgeous, gorgeous little baby. And during pregnancy, towards the end of the pregnancy, she found a lump in her breast. Um, she has since been diagnosed with breast cancer and today she wants to share her story to raise awareness on checking your breasts. I hope you enjoy this episode.

[00:02:49] Hello everybody. And welcome to Fifty Shades of Motherhood. Today. I am joined by a very, very brave lady, Keisha Chadwick. Keisha was diagnosed with breast cancer after, after having her baby. And today we’re going to be sharing her story, um, and talking about her journey through pregnancy, right the way to where she is now.

[00:03:12] So hello, Keisha. How are you? 

[00:03:15] Keisha: Hi, I’m fine. Thank you. 

[00:03:17] Carla: Thank you so much for coming on. And talking about this, this subject. It’s very, very brave of you to do so. So thank you. 

[00:03:23] Keisha: It’s ok. I just want to make sure people are checking their breasts more. 

[00:03:30] Carla: Yeah, absolutely. It’s a really important subject. And I know what I said to you before actually checking breasts is almost like, I mean, I have, I do do it in the shower, but I, uh, I do kind of skim over it sometimes because I’m that, I’ve got really bad health anxiety you see? So I just worry so much about things that I’m almost scared to find something. And also, I did say to you, when we first started talking, I didn’t know how to properly check my breasts and you sent me this, this really good diagram. So we’ll put that on the link for people listening, but, um, let’s get started with a bit about you then Keisha. So how old are you? Keisha? 

[00:04:10] Keisha: So I am 28. 

[00:04:11] Carla: Yep. And you got pregnant at 28, didn’t you? It wasn’t a planned, planned pregnancy. Was it? 

[00:04:17] Keisha: Yeah, no, it was, it was actually a shock, um, I’ve always said, That I didn’t want children. And I was sort of just focusing on my career. I was a student nurse. So when I got pregnant, I had to decide what to do with, with my university degree. Um, but I did decide to continue with it throughout my pregnancy. So, yeah, so because of COVID and everything, um, I was doing my placements at the hospital, but I had to finish at 28 weeks, um, just to protect himself from COVID.

[00:04:53] Carla: Oh yeah. 

[00:04:55] Keisha: Yeah. So still doing all my online work and everything and, all my assignments. 

[00:05:00] Carla: So how far are you in, well where you went to that? Um, into that course, your degree? 

[00:05:06] Keisha: I was literally in my last year, so I was meant to qualify in January. So literally the next couple of months I was meant to qualify. But I have had to step off.

[00:05:17] Carla: Wow. So close to that end and that finish line. So when you found out you were pregnant, then were you excited or were you terrified?

[00:05:27] Keisha: I was in so much shock, I didn’t believe at first. Um, but then when I had got my head around it, I was so happy and excited to say as well, that I’d thought that I’d never wanted children. I was so happy to be pregnant. I was really looking forward to it. 

[00:05:43] Carla: Aww. And how was your pregnancy then? Did everything kind of run smoothly? Did you find out the sex?

[00:05:50] Keisha: Yeah, it was, my pregnancy was amazing. I loved every minute of it. And I loved my bump. I absolutely loved, I just loved being pregnant. And we found out the sex, um, paid for a private scan, found out with sex. And I was so happy that I was having a girl. But yeah, everything went fine throughout my pregnancy. I wasn’t until the last couple of weeks I was having like reduced movements. So I’d been going into hospital quite a few times to be monitored. Um, and then it was towards the end of a pregnancy when Milana wasn’t meeting the criteria, when they was checking me so to decided to induce me at 39 weeks pregnant. 

[00:06:32] Carla: That’s good for going in for reduced movement though, because it’s easy to put in your, it’s easy to say to yourself, isn’t it like? Oh yeah, they will be moving or putting it off, but you should always go in. So was she, was she okay then when, when they did that final, final check, just kind of.

[00:06:47] Keisha: So they did. Yeah, it was more like, so they didn’t, they did a scan and they weren’t, she wasn’t getting enough blood flow from the placenta. Um, so that, that’s why they thought that she was having reduced movements and then they needed to induce me quite quickly. Um, I was booked him for induction on the Sunday and had gone in for the scan on Saturday, but they just brought it forward to the Saturday night and just kept me in. 

[00:07:15] Carla: Were you nervous about the birth or?

[00:07:17] Keisha: No. Do you know what? I wasn’t. I was really excited. Like I try not to think about anything until it’s actually happening. So no I was really excited for it all just from the start to finish. I was just really happy. 

[00:07:33] Carla: And so the induction then, how was that for you?

[00:07:39] Keisha: I didn’t know what to expect. So obviously they induced me, I had the first like pessary, put in. 

[00:07:48] Carla: Oh yeah. 

[00:07:50] Keisha: So that was in for 24 hours. And nothing had really changed. So then I had to have another one, six hours for six hours and another one for six hours after that. And it wasn’t until the third one had gone in, my waters broke on their own. Um, so my waters broke and my show came and I was left with, my waters broken for 30 hours before they had space for me downstairs on the delivery unit. 

[00:08:18] Carla: Oh god. 

[00:08:19] Keisha: So I was literally in a bay with three other women. I was contracting and I was on my own as well because of COVID. I had nobody with me. Um, I w I was just having these contractions for 30 hours straight until they eventually came up to get me.

[00:08:36] Carla: Oh my God. Did you have any, any painkillers or anything during that time? 

[00:08:40] Keisha: I did have, they did give me paracetamol but because I was up on the labor ward, and not on the delivery suite. I wasn’t able to have anything like gas and air or anything like that. 

[00:08:51] Carla: Oh god bless you. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Especially when it’s first time and you don’t know what to expect. Yeah. That’s frightening. So you had your gorgeous little baby didn’t you? Um, and then, and then what happened after that? Because that, that wasn’t smooth, was it for you?

[00:09:10] Keisha: No. So, um, once I’d managed to go down to delivery suite. I was then I was on the hormone drip, um, and my contractions was literally back to back every 30 seconds. I didn’t have a break at all. They gave me an epidural and it only worked down one side. So literally I felt every single contraction down my left hand side. And I was on gas and air as well. And then before we knew that I was 10 centimetres, so they were like right we’re ready to push. But then I flagged for Sepsis. So they stopped me from pushing while they intervened and put all my iv’s in, give me my antibiotics and everything. And then I was allowed to push and I was pushing for about two and a half hours. And she just wasn’t like getting through a dip. She just kept going back up. Um, so baby had to be monitored and then her heartbeat was dropping.

[00:10:08] Carla: Oh its frightening.

[00:10:10] Keisha: I know, and eventually then I was rushed for emergency forceps. So I had my emergency forceps, Milana was born, but then she was taken straight away. Um, cause she needed to be treated for sepsis as well. 

[00:10:26] Carla: Oh god. Is that how, I mean, just did it come from, from her or? Did you both have it? 

[00:10:33] Keisha: Yeah, they treated us both for sepsis. So as soon as Milana was born, they took Milana away. So they could treat Milana for it and give her antibiotics as well, which they did through IV as well. So she had to have a cannula in bless her, um, and then they decided to keep us in hospital. While we were both treated for the sepsis. 

[00:10:55] Carla: Oh, it’s frightening that like all of that happening. The whole thing, I think sometimes, well, I don’t want to put anyone off that’s pregnant at the moment, but it is just for some people it’s, it’s quite a traumatic experience having a baby, especially all the things that can, can kind of, I think it’s just the worry, isn’t it? Where they’re checking the heart rate. Oh, it’s dipped and then you are panicking aren’t you? But you are in the right place. When you are in hospital, I mean, you know, that that’s the thing. So they, they managed to stabilise your both then and you were both okay. Which is really good. 

[00:11:27] Keisha: Yeah. 

[00:11:28] Carla: So after that, then what happened? Cause you got COVID didn’t you? 

[00:11:33] Keisha: Yeah, so Milana was born on the Tuesday and on the Wednesday I started to feel unwell. And like, my chest was tight and my throat was sore and I was questioning myself thinking have I got COVID our is it just literally, because of, you know, from the gas and air and everything, when I was having Milana I was put on oxygen as well. So I’m thinking about, maybe I’ve got a sore throat from that, but then it was just like, I just knew I had COVID I just knew from the way I felt. I, I felt so poorly and run down. Um, so then obviously I tested positive for COVID and then I was taken to isolate on my own. So literally, like I’ve got this newborn baby. They’ve put me in a room on my own, they was, I was having to ring the bell for them to come in and they was having put full PPE on and it was just horrible. The first couple of days, I just, I, to go home, it was making me feel so down and depressed that I had this newborn baby and I was on my own. I didn’t even have a tele in the bedroom that I was in like nothing. I felt like a prisoner.

[00:12:41] Carla: Oh, gosh. Yeah, because you’re on your own and you can’t even cuddle her? Like you just don’t know what’s going on do you?

[00:12:47] Keisha: No. I had a mask on, because I didn’t obviously want to pass it to the baby. So then I’m thinking, should I be holding her? Should, should I be leaving her you know, next to me and just touching her as and when I need to, I didn’t know what the best thing to do was. 

[00:13:03] Carla: Oh, that’s good that they kept her with you though. Cause I, oh gosh, that, that would just blooming be awful. So, so were you quite ill with that then or? 

[00:13:14] Keisha: Um, it wasn’t that bad. I don’t do you know what? Because of the sepsis and I was on the antibiotics and then I had COVID. I don’t actually know what I felt poorly with. And then I’ve just gone through such a long labor as well. Um it was just, just I’d lost my taste. I lost my smells. It was just a cough, a new constant headache. And I was just really tired.

[00:13:36] Carla: Yeah. And that, and I suppose, you know, after having a baby and like you said, all of that, that could just be all linked in with the whole thing. I mean, your whole body’s been through a lot there. So, so did you manage to get home? Did you get home before the COVID was over or did you have to stay there till you were tested clear? 

[00:13:56] Keisha: No. So they did, let me go home because I was, I kept saying to them, I can’t be here on my own anymore. Like he, I needed to be in the comfort of my own home. Um, even though, then I had to go home and isolate on my own for 10 days.

[00:14:11] Carla: Oh gosh. Oh yeah. So you now you’ve had a baby and that time where people are like coming to visit, you miss out on all of that. 

[00:14:19] Keisha: Yeah. So it’s like her dad didn’t even meet her until she was five days old. Cause we didn’t live together. I had to isolate on my own for the remaining time from the hospital. 

[00:14:33] Carla: God that’s frightening. Isn’t it? God you poor thing. Bless you. Well, at least at least you got home in the end. I mean, I bet you didn’t even pack enough stuff. 

[00:14:44] Keisha: I know, I asked to keep getting people dropping it off to the ward for me and they couldn’t even come on the ward to see me with the baby.

[00:14:51] Carla: Oh, bless ya. Obviously we’re going to be talking about the breast cancer side of things. Um, so, so you, you found a lump didn’t you at around seven to eight months pregnant. And was that from checking your breasts or how, how did you find that?

[00:15:09] Keisha: So I I’ll, I’m one of them, people thats guilty for never checking their breasts. And even to this day, I’ve still not checked my breasts. And I know I should. I was, I was laying on the settee. And it was just, I was watching tele and I’d literally, I must have just put my, my arm down at the side of my boob and I thought have I just felt a lump? So I’ve obviously had a little feel and it was quite clear that there was an obvious lump there at the side of my boob, but obviously I was pregnant. Um, your milks due to come in, your boobs change anyway, while you’re pregnant. I literally did not think anything of it. I remember texting my cousin saying, I’ve just found a lump. She was like, oh, probably be your milk. And I was like, yeah. And that was it. Didn’t think nothing of it. Didn’t even check it again. 

[00:15:57] Carla: Yeah, because your boobs. I mean, I’m pregnant at the moment and your boobs are just forever changing. And honestly, it’s like. Just the pain and I mean, was it a painless lump or was it just?

[00:16:09] Keisha: Yeah, it didn’t hurt. There was, nothing hurt. It didn’t hurt to touch it. Like, I didn’t even have any pains throughout my pregnancy in my boobs. My boobs didn’t seem to grow or anything. 

[00:16:21] Carla: No. Oh gosh. So, so, so at that point then, did you just kind of just brush it off as it probably was something to do with, with the pregnancy?

[00:16:30] Keisha: Yeah.

[00:16:32] Carla: Easy done. You would do wouldn’t you? So, so, so then, um, what, what happened and why did you then end up kind of talking about that lump once your little one had come then?

[00:16:45] Keisha: So I had Milana and, my milk hadn’t even come in till she was like four days old. So I was expressing for a little bit, and then literally I woke up, I tried expressing one day and my milk was just gone. Like I didn’t even get anything out of it. And it just felt, oh, that’s gone quite quickly. But then I noticed that my lump was still there and I really don’t know why. I know, I know you should go to the doctors when you have a lump, but I left it till she was 4 weeks old to go to the doctors. I just kept thinking, oh, it’s still there. It’s still there. So when she were four weeks, I went to the doctors, he obviously checked my breasts and he said, oh, you can move it. Which is a good sign. It doesn’t feel like it’s attached to anything. And he said to me, I do think it probably is a blocked milk duct. Um, I am going to refer to the breast clinic anyway, just to get double checked. He said, if there is anything else you can come back in here and shout out me but I’m more than certain it’s going to be a blocked milk duct.

[00:17:48] Carla: That’s what you wanted to hear as well isn’t it really?

[00:17:51] Keisha: Yeah.

[00:17:51] Carla: So, I bet you felt more reassured then, because, I mean, um, with my little boy, he was born like seven weeks early and my milk never, ever came in. Um, really. I think, I think maybe because he was born so early, but I imagine is that, is that a sign or like, could that be a sign for having breast cancer if your milk doesn’t come in or, or is it?

[00:18:16] Keisha: I don’t know?

[00:18:17] Carla: No.

[00:18:18] Keisha: I honestly don’t know.

[00:18:19] Carla: So, so from there, your doctor referred you, how long did you have to wait for that referral then? 

[00:18:24] Keisha: So the referral came through quite quickly from seeing my doctor I was up at the hospital 10 days later. 

[00:18:31] Carla: Right. Yeah. And you, at this point, I suppose, because of what your doctor said, you weren’t as worried about it. 

[00:18:36] Keisha: No was not bothered at all. So I went, I went to the hospital on my own and I didn’t think anything of it. He checked me and drew a circle around it, like they do. And then they send you downstairs and for an ultrasound, because I’m only 28. All I was having was an ultrasound. I wasn’t having a mammogram or anything. 

[00:18:53] Carla: Why do they not do that?

[00:18:56] Keisha: I don’t know I think, they only offer mammograms to women over a certain age. I think it’s 50.

[00:19:02] Carla: Oh, that’s frightening. Isn’t it? You know, we can still have breast cancer at 28 years old, but you don’t get any kind of checks for it. So, so, so you just went for the ultrasound then. Um, and then what was that like? Is it a bit like, um, a pregnancy scan, but over the boob? 

[00:19:18] Keisha: Yeah. So they’ve just done an ultrasound over the area, where he’s circled, um, that you could see on the screen. And she was like, oh, it’s quite light in colour. Um, which obviously could show that it’s a blocked milk duct because with the lightness, it’s probably your milk. Um, so they was, they was telling me the exact same as what the doctors told me, it’s probably a blocked milk duct. She did say, she said, I’ll do a biopsy, on you now just to make sure and we can rule it out, that it isn’t anything else. So again, I didn’t think nothing of it. I was a little bit taken back when they wanted to do a biopsy, because I didn’t expect that they’d be doing that. Or they’d need to do it. 

[00:20:00] Carla: Yeah, probably. I mean, it’s a good thing. They did really isn’t it? So, so at that point then were you sent home, you’d done the biopsy and, and you were sent home as, as normal?

[00:20:12] Keisha: Yeah they told me to come back two weeks later. For the results of it. So fast forward two weeks again, I didn’t expect nothing. Cause they said blocked milk duct as well. I had gone to the hospital on me own. I had took my baby baby to her Nana’s house to look after her. And then I drove to the hospital 

[00:20:33] Carla: And the, and so they hadn’t rang you at this point or anything like that? That you’ve just been oh, right. So, so sometimes like, I mean, I. Everything I blooming go to the doctors. I’m like, they would have rang me if it’s something urgent, they would have rang me if it’s something urgent, but you didn’t get a call like that. So, so what happened when you got in there then? 

[00:20:50] Keisha: So I was literally, I’ve just gone in and they’ve asked me to go into another room and just ask me to take my top off again, just to have another check and I thought. I didn’t. I just thought, oh, this must be normal. And then he checks me and he said, right, just get dressed and then come out and come into the other room. So I’ve gone out and it. when I’m looking back now. It was such a strange feeling because I could see people looking at me, you know, like the nurses and the staff that works there. And I were thinking, why are they looking at me? And I thought are they looking at what I’m wearing, like my hair? Like what they’re looking at before. And then I sat down in this room and I’m just sat there smiling away. And the doctors come in and he’s just introduced a nurse as well. And it even, even at this point, I have not thought anything of it. And it was literally until he said to me, we’ve got your biopsy results back and it’s cancer. 

[00:21:46] Carla: Oh, god honestly sent a shiver down my back. That is awful. Um, what was your initial reaction? 

[00:21:56] Keisha: I said to them you’re lying. I know you lying. And then it was the look on their faces. They just looked so sad. Like the doctor even said to me, he said, I’m really, really shocked that I’m telling you this news because you have just had a recent, you know, you have just had a baby. There’s no history at all breast cancer in my family. And I was saying I’m 28 years old. He was like, I know he said, that’s why we’re really really shocked. And then I just broke down crying and I just didn’t realize, I couldn’t take him what they were saying. 

[00:22:25] Carla: I know I don’t blame you, because when you hear the C word, the dreaded C word, you just think the worst don’t you like I imagine like the worst came into your head well it would me.

[00:22:35] Keisha: Well, that’s what I was saying to him. I was saying to him, am I going to die? Am I going to die? Please tell me, I need to know am I going to die? But because I was on my own, I couldn’t take it anything in what they were saying to me anyway. 

[00:22:47] Carla: Oh God. Yeah. Oh my god. You’d have just, oh, it’s awful. I can’t even, honestly, it makes me so sad thinking that you had to go through that on your, on your own as well, like that whole thing. So, so what happened that day? Did they kind of put plans in place or what was the next step from there then? 

[00:23:06] Keisha: Well, it was on a Friday that they told me. And because I was so in like, I wasn’t in denial. I was just so shocked and I didn’t, I never, ever expected to hear that word. And I just said to him, I’m sorry. I said, I can’t take this in a need to go home. My mum was on holiday, so I’ve rang my mum while I was in the room. And she was like, right, right we’re going to get the next flight back, um, I stayed at my cousin’s house that weekend, but because I just thought breast cancer was breast cancer. I didn’t know. There were different types of cancer in your breast. So I’ve just left and I have not had any information off them at all. So they did tell me they was going to ring the back on the Monday and go through everything with me, when I was sat with somebody to take it all in properly. So from Friday to Monday, it literally. I had in my head I was going to die. I didn’t know, what type of cancer I had, I didn’t know what treatment was available for me. I didn’t know what happened, what was going to happen. It just felt like it was the longest weekend of my life. 

[00:24:05] Carla: Oh, it sounds awful. And there are so many successful stories, but unfortunately, like, you know, the ma the main ones that make it, like out there, you know, that people read are the scary, scary ones, aren’t they? So that’s what you probably used to see in a lot of the time. And so, so, oh God, I bet. I bet you just struggle even to bloody function really that whole weekend? 

[00:24:28] Keisha: And I did, I literally, I think I cried for like the full weekend straight, like a I’d just be, I’d be waking up in the middle of the night and I’d just break down crying. I’d be looking at Milana thinking, oh my gosh. Like, this is meant to be the happiest time in my life. And I’ve just been told I have got cancer with a seven week old baby. 

[00:24:49] Carla: Oh God, God. So, so Monday came around then. Um, and what happened when they phoned you then?

[00:24:58] Keisha: So she, she phoned me, the Macmillan nurse. Um, she explained to me what, what had come back from the biopsy. And she told me what cancer it was that I had, it was a triple negative. And she explained that we’d probably be looking at doing chemo, surgery and radiotherapy as well. Um, didn’t know, we didn’t know what order at this point, so they’d literally got me back in. Um, to do more tests, which was obviously more ultra sounds, um, because I had been diagnosed with cancer. That’s why then was able to do a mammogram on me. And literally the same day on Monday, um, I was referred straight over to the fertility clinic to get my fertility treatment started straight away so I could start my chemo straight after that. 

[00:25:51] Carla: Can you just explain a bit about why you have fertility treatment? Because I know, I think, I suppose people might think, well, it’s in your breast. Why why’d you have to kind of go for fertility treatment? So what, what does that mean? 

[00:26:04] Keisha: So they said to me, um, with the chemo, there’s a chance it can leave you infertile. Um, obviously because of my age and only having the one child, they give me the option of doing like the IVF fertility treatments. So I went to St. Mary’s hospital where I started that process, where I had to inject myself twice a day for 10 days. And then after that, I’d had a scan to check if my eggs was ready. And then they operated to remove the eggs. 

[00:26:36] Carla: Gosh, so soon as well after you’ve just had a baby. So oh bless you. So, so had your periods started as normal then as well. By this point? 

[00:26:47] Keisha: I’d only add one period. 

[00:26:48] Carla: Yeah. Oh goodness. So, so what happened at the ultrasound then from there? Did they, were they able to tell you more about like how your cancer was? Or whether it was anywhere else or did they do, what did they do? 

[00:27:04] Keisha: So they did the ultrasound and they just looked at the area again. Um, the lump that I had. Got the size of it. And then I went around to have a mammogram the same day, the mammograms are more it’s like an X-ray of your boobs. So it’s more of in depth. When, when they did the mammogram, um, there was two other areas. Um, of cancerous cells that they found that hadn’t been picked up on the ultrasound, because it was so deep in my breast, there was only picked up from the mammogram. Um, and I could see them, I could see him like looking and, you know, sort of discussing this. And because at the time I just wanted to know what was going on and, and I could tell by the face that they found something else, I made him tell me there and then. I said, look, I said, it’s not fair. And I wanna know what it is, so he actually was, he was really nice and they got it up on the screen and they showed, they showed me the other areas in the breasts that had come up on the mammogram.

[00:28:05] Carla: Oh gosh. Because I bet it just feels like you’re just getting one blooming hit after another, at this point.

[00:28:11] Keisha: Yeah. Well then after that, they took me back round then to do another ultrasound. Cause they wanted to see if it spread to my lymph nodes. So when they did the ultrasound, they said, right, your lymph nodes are swollen. So we’re going to have to do biopsy on them as well. Right away, straight away, I was like right its in my lymph nodes, its in my lymph nodes. So they took a biopsy of my lymph nodes and all together, I ended up having 10 biopsies all together from, from a breast, my lymph nodes. My breasts was like oh it was black and blue. It was awful. 

[00:28:49] Carla: It sounds it. And then, and then with the lymph nodes ones, did that come back straight away or did you, again have to wait for that?

[00:28:55] Keisha: No. Uh, I had to wait a week then for them results to come back. So the results come back, the confirmed the other two areas in my breasts was cancer. And luckily, thank God the lymph. It hadn’t spread to the lymph nodes, they were just swollen due to the biopsies that I had ,had the two weeks previous. 

[00:29:17] Carla: Wow. So at this point they knew it was just in the breast then the cancer is that right? 

[00:29:22] Keisha: Yeah, yeah.

[00:29:23] Carla: Oh, God, not, not that thats any constellation. Oh God, your mind must have been going absolutely crazy at this point.

[00:29:33] Keisha: It was awful.

[00:29:34] Carla: Did they, did they make a plan with you there and then, then about what, what happens next? 

[00:29:40] Keisha: So I was then referred for a CT scan of my body to check that it hadn’t, it hadn’t spread to any other organs in my body. Um, and then again, I had to wait another week for that to come back. But in this time frame in this week they had to come up with a plan. I’d met my oncologist, um, which they decided to do chemo first. I start with chemo tomorrow. So my oncologist told me that my CT scan had come back negative and it hadn’t spread anywhere else.

[00:30:10] Carla: Yeah. I bet you’re so happy when that came back, but still, oh God.

[00:30:15] Keisha: Do you know why it was so strange because even though I’ve still got cancer, I felt like it was celebrating. Because it hadn’t gone anywhere else in my body.

[00:30:25] Carla: I know what you mean. Cause you must just get used to the idea of right. I’ve got it. And then you think the worst and then, and then that, oh God, I mean, it’s awful that you’re having to go through this at 28 years old, to be honest with you. It’s so bad. So at the moment, you’re waiting for your chemo, aren’t you starting that tomorrow? 

[00:30:43] Keisha: Yeah. Starting chemo tomorrow , I had my bloods done today and my injection, which is, um, basically an injection in my tummy, which will shut my ovaries down. So, it will give me a better chance of, um, you know, trying to be fertile after my chemo. So it sort of like puts you into menopause. Um, while you’re having your chemo, um, I’ll start my chemo tomorrow, which will be every week for nine weeks. And then the second lot of nine weeks will then be a different kind of chemo every three weeks. So overall it be around 18 weeks that I’m having my chemo for. Um, and then after that, I will be having my breasts removed.

[00:31:29] Carla: Right. Yeah. God, it’s so much to think about, isn’t it? 

[00:31:33] Keisha: Yeah. Um, I don’t feel like it’s real. I it’s just a strange feeling. 

[00:31:40] Carla: Yeah. I can imagine. It’s just, oh, I bet. Like you said before, it’s like, like you’re talking about someone else sometimes. Cause you just don’t think this could ever happen to you do you? 

[00:31:51] Keisha: Since finding out I had it. I haven’t been able to like cry. Like it don’t sit there. I can’t cry. I don’t feel sad about it because at the end of the day I’ve got cancer. Like there’s nothing I can do about having this diagnosis. Apart from having my chemo and having my surgery to beat it and get out of my body. 

[00:32:10] Carla: Yeah. And now you’ve got actions in place that is hopefully going to do that. And, and they’ve caught it, uh, I mean, you’re lucky in a sense considering, I mean, say you’re lucky, you’re not, you’re 28 years old and you’ve got this, but I mean, in the sense that, you know, it’s something can be done. And thats it, but I mean, as for your uni and everything, that’s now completely on hold, isn’t it?

[00:32:34] Keisha: Yeah. I won’t be able to return to university til 2023 and I’ve got to do the full year of again, even though I only had like four months left. 

[00:32:45] Carla: Oh, it’s so unfair. And money-wise, I mean, did you have any insurance or anything like that in place or. For this kind of thing? 

[00:32:57] Keisha: No, no, you don’t. I don’t, you don’t expect anything like this to happen. Do you like? I’ve I’ve had to stop university, where I was getting an income of my student loan, which now I’m not able to get so on top of obviously having a diagnosis worry, you then have money on top of it, that you’re worrying about thinking, how am I going to pay my mortgage? How am I going to pay my bills? 

[00:33:24] Carla: Yeah, of course, of course, because you know, these are the, these are the things a lot of people look, oh, well,I’ll start I’ll get life insurance or something once my baby’s born or whatever. But I mean, all of this, I mean you’ve just kind of had a baby and everything thrown at you? In one go haven’t you really?

[00:33:42] Keisha: I know. Well, I’m hoping now, cause well with me having like sepsis, COVID and now cancer they say it comes in three. So I’m hoping that this is the last, you know, thing what will happen to me really.

[00:33:55] Carla: Definitely. And, you know, Just you sharing your story is such a brave thing to do. Um, so, so tell me a bit about what your friends are doing for you, because I’m sure there’s people listening that would love to support you in any way they can as well for sharing your story. 

[00:34:11] Keisha: Yeah. So this Saturday, the 25th of September, my friends are doing a sponsored walk from Tameside hospital at the MacMillan unit where obviously my journey started, I’d been diagnosed and they walking to Christie’s hospital in Manchester where I’ll be starting the chemo tomorrow. And then they’re walking back again. 

[00:34:34] Carla: Oh wow. Oh bless them. 

[00:34:37] Keisha: I know it’s going to, they’re going to be walking for about seven or eight hours. And so they, they, yeah, they’ve got that in place to, to happen on Saturday. 

[00:34:47] Carla: Oh, amazing. And so they’re raising money for you so that you don’t have to worry about your finances during this time, and you can actually, you know, have, have a normal life during this time, I guess, without worry.

[00:35:01] Keisha: Yeah. It’s just to try and make it a little bit more easier for me. Um, obviously so I can buy myself a wig, um, cause they’re not cheap either. Um, and as a young girl, I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a hard thing the thought of having to lose your hair. 

[00:35:17] Carla: You know, that, that’s the thing you, you know, we all worry about our hair and stuff like that. And these are all things that you’re gonna have to go through. I’m not meaning to make you feel even worse, but do you know what I mean? 

[00:35:28] Keisha: Yeah. I mean, I said this to my friend yesterday. Like I’m so fixated at the moment on starting my chemo and, you know, losing my hair. I’ve not even thought yet about, I’m not going to have any boobs. Like I’ve got to have my boobs removed yet, and I’ve not, I’ve not even thought about that bit yet. 

[00:35:48] Carla: I think it’s just one thing at a time, isn’t it at the moment. I mean, you’ve got a lot in front of you, but hopefully, you know, very soon you’ll be at the other side of this and, and, you know, I think what you said earlier about not thinking about things till they actually come round is probably a good, good way to be really.

[00:36:07] Keisha: Yeah.

[00:36:08] Carla: So, so what we’ll do is I’ll put the link in the comments to the go fund me page. Um, if you can send that through to me and then, um, and, um, perhaps we can have an update on where you’re up to maybe, maybe in the new year, once everything’s, once everything’s done and finished with, when, when do you think that will be?

[00:36:31] Keisha: So I do think, I think my chemo, if it all goes to plan, obviously with your bloods being taken every week, they need to keep an eye on like your white blood cells and everything, so hopefully if I don’t get delayed with any of my chemo treatment, I should be finished by the end of January. And then I’ll have like a four to six week break before they do my surgery.

[00:36:53] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. Just to get your strength up again and stuff like that.

[00:36:57] Keisha: Yeah. Um, so hopefully, um, I’m hoping then with me having my full breasts moved. I wouldn’t need radiotherapy at the end, but that is still an option that I might need to, to do at the end of everything. 

[00:37:12] Carla: And, and how’s your little girl now, how old is she now?

[00:37:15] Keisha: She’s 12 weeks today. 

[00:37:17] Carla: Goodness. You’ve been all through all of that in such a short amount of time.

[00:37:22] Keisha: I know it’s crazy. 

[00:37:24] Carla: I just want to give you a big hug. Aww so, so she’s 12 weeks. How is she? I bet. 

[00:37:30] Keisha: She’s amazing. 

[00:37:32] Carla: Bet she’s keeping you busy. 

[00:37:35] Keisha: Oh, she’s just the best thing ever to happen. Like I just, I just look at her and she just makes me so happy.

[00:37:42] Carla: Oh, oh, I’m so happy for you. Oh, she’s so cute. So yeah. Thank you so much for sharing your story. It’s such a brave thing to do. Such a brave thing to do. I don’t think I could do that, but thank you so much. And, and in regards to people checking the breast, really that that’s what we want people to be doing as well don’t we so. Anyone listening to this, please, please check, check your breasts.

[00:38:08] Keisha: Yeah absolutely.

[00:38:09] Carla: And we’ll put a diagram on, um, and everything and hopefully we can catch up soon anyway, and you’ll be on all the other side of this and back to uni before you know it.

[00:38:20] Keisha: Yeah, hopefully it goes fast for me and then I’ll look back and it would just be, just be a part of my life that I can get over. 

[00:38:27] Carla: Yeah. Just a chapter in your book.

[00:38:29] Keisha: Yeah.

[00:38:29] Carla: And its closed. Yeah. No, exactly. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story today. 

[00:38:36] Keisha: No problem. Thank you. 

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Covid during Pregnancy Sat, 14 Aug 2021 17:44:40 +0000 "My heart stopped, my lungs collapsed and my kidneys stopped working." Welcome back to Season 3 of Fifty Shades of Motherhood! This week Carla talks to the incredible Sameera Kahn. Sameera opens up about her getting Covid whilst pregnant and being induced into a coma to save hers and her babies life.

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  • Covid during Pregnancy

“My heart stopped, my lungs collapsed and my kidneys stopped working.”

Welcome back to Season 3 of Fifty Shades of Motherhood! This week Carla talks to the incredible Sameera Kahn. Sameera opens up about her getting Covid whilst pregnant and being induced into a coma to save hers and her babies life.

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[00:01:48] Hello everybody. And welcome to this week’s episode of 50 shades of motherhood. Today. I am joined by a very brave guest Sameera Kahn. Sameera Kahn got COVID during pregnancy. And what happened to her afterwards is absolutely terrifying. Today Sameera bravely shares her story in the hope that it helps other people understand the effects that COVID can have during pregnancy.

[00:02:40] Hello everybody. And welcome to this week’s episode of 50 shades of motherhood. Today. I am joined by a very, very brave lady, Sameera Khan. Who’s going to be sharing her story about getting COVID during pregnancy. Hi, Samira. How are you? 

[00:02:57] Sameera: Hi, I’m fine. Thank you. And yourself. 

[00:03:00] Carla: Yes, I’m good. Thank you. It’s so nice to have you on here, speaking to you because I was only speaking to you on Instagram. Wasn’t I? And you shared your story with me. And I was like, I just couldn’t believe what I was reading and I just. I think, you know, your story needs to be heard and, and shared and, and you’ve just been so brave coming on. So thank you so much.

[00:03:20] Sameera: No problem, its my pleasure.

[00:03:22] Carla: Sameera, we’re just going to get a bit of a background about you then. So you and your husband met when you were at school at 11 didn’t you?

[00:03:32] Sameera: Yeah when he was very young.

[00:03:34]Carla:  Oh, that’s so lovely. And, and you were really good friends and then you ended up actually getting together in year 11 and that’s it?

[00:03:42] Sameera: Yeah, pretty much. I mean, when we first met, we was, um, both quite shy and you know, when your going into secondary school was quite a big transition anyway. So, um, I remember asking him for a pencil and his response was why on the first day of school, do you not have any stationary? So he still reminds me about that now. Cause I’m always losing my pens, but that’s kind of how it really started. 

[00:04:11] Carla: Bless you. Um, so, so you then got married. How old were you when you got married?

[00:04:17] Sameera: Um, oh gosh, I was 19. 

[00:04:22] Carla: Wow oh thats lovely. It’s like a fairy tale story. Um, and, and how many children have you got then Sameera? 

[00:04:31] Sameera: Um, so I have four children now. 

[00:04:33] Carla: Oh, wow. That must be busy. 

[00:04:37] Sameera: It very much is. 

[00:04:39] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. And did you plan all of your children or did you kind of just go with the flow. See what happens. 

[00:04:46] Sameera: Oh I mean. We always talked about children and having a family. We both really wanted like four children, both of us wanted four children. So, um, it was always kind of like a topic that, you know, we wanted to have children quite young so that we could kind of, as they grew up.  We would still be quite young and trendy parents as well. So, um, yeah, I mean, we, when we had our first son, um, we kind of, from there decided, you know, we’re definitely going to have more children. Um, it’s just a matter of when really. 

[00:05:21] Carla: That’s lovely. Oh, that’s nice. So obviously all your pregnancies before then, were they kind of smooth sailing compared to this last fourth one then I’m guessing. 

[00:05:31] Sameera: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my first pregnancy, um, I was, I was quite young. It was my first pregnancy and it was, you know, everyone’s first pregnancy. They don’t really know what to expect, but now I think about it. Yep. It did go very smoothly. Um, my second and third again, you know, no issues, no problems, um, you know, smooth births. Um, it was just really the last pregnancy that I became very unwell, um, you know, due to pregnancy related issues as well. I mean, I got pre-eclampsia and, um, got gestational diabetes as well. So it, yeah, it was difficult.

[00:06:15] Carla: Had you never had that before Samira ?

[00:06:17] Sameera: No so I had, preeclampsia in a previous pregnancy, but it was controlled and there was no issues. Um, but it was the first time I had got gestational diabetes. So yeah, a little bit worrying.

[00:06:30] Carla: You know when you got pregnant, was this before COVID before this big lockdown or was that ,or was it during? Sorry I say after, we are not out of it yet.

[00:06:40] Sameera: Yeah, no we’re not, I mean it was kind of in between, um, I believe I got pregnant around July, June, or July. 

[00:06:51] Carla: And we went into the lockdown in March didn’t we. 

[00:06:54] Sameera: Yeah, Um, I mean, well, we had to do something during lockdown. 

[00:06:59] Carla: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. TV gets a bit boring, you know? Um, so were you happy when you found out, I mean that you were pregnant because you’d always wanted four?

[00:07:09] Sameera: Yeah, I was, I was really happy. We both was really happy. We were a little worried, just due to the fact that COVID was around. Um, but I had already kind of, when I found out I was pregnant, I’d already decided that, um, I was going to take early maternity leave anyway. Um, and use like the annual leave that I had accumulated.

[00:07:32] Carla: Where do you work? 

[00:07:34] Sameera: I work in Virgin Active in Chiswick.

[00:07:38]Carla:  Oh, wow. Right.

[00:07:40] Sameera: So, I mean, at that time we was all on furlough anyway. Um, and I kind of was just staying at home and doing the whole at home mum life really. 

[00:07:52] Carla: Yeah. Did you enjoy that? 

[00:07:54] Sameera: I did. I mean, I work with children anyway. Um, so I love being around children and, you know, that’s kind of like where my forte is. I love being around kids, so yeah, it was enjoyable for me. Really. Yep. 

[00:08:08] Carla: So, so you got pregnant and then how, how was the pregnancy initially then? I mean, was your husband able to go to the scans with you or did you have to go to those on your own?

[00:08:18] Sameera: Oh, no, I did actually have to go on my own. Um, yeah, it, it was, it was a really surreal scenario, really just going to kind of find out the gender of your child and check up on the baby and stuff. And your partner not being allowed to go. It was very difficult.

[00:08:37] Carla: Yeah, of course. Because like gender thing, you want it both here it at the same time, don’t you? 

[00:08:42] Sameera: Of course yeah.

[00:08:43] Carla: Oh yeah, of course. So, so, um, up to then I suppose up to the 20 weeks, everything was absolutely fine. Or was that when the gestational diabetes had begun.

[00:08:55] Sameera: So they told me quite early that I had gestational diabetes. Um, and I was kind of just monitoring it at home with the blood sugar machine. Um, I mean, I was getting it on track and it was, it was quite good. It’s just in terms of, the pregnancy I, in that pregnancy, I don’t know what it was but I already felt quite unwell. Um, I don’t know whether it was due to having the gestational diabetes and the preeclampsia as well. But yeah, during that pregnancy, it was, it was just very difficult for me. 

[00:09:31] Carla: Um, even before everything that you went through. So what, what, what were your symptoms of the gestational diabetes? 

[00:09:39] Sameera: Well, I didn’t actually have any symptoms from what I remember. Um, I just went for my normal glucose tolerance test and they just let me know that my blood sugars weren’t quite right and that I had gestational diabetes. Um, I was then kind of booked in with a nurse at the hospital so they could give me like a machine to regulate my blood sugars, check up on them and kind of keep a journal on it. Um, but I mean, by the time that I had got a big enough journal. I was then dealing with symptoms of COVID. 

[00:10:16] Carla: Goodness. So, so going to COVID, um, that side of things, I mean, have you any, I mean, not that you would know, but you’re in a down it’s quite hard. Cause you’re limited. You don’t really see everyone. Have you any idea, how you got it or if anyone in your family had it or anything?

[00:10:32] Sameera: So my husband had COVID. Um, but his was not bad at all. Um, he was just a little bit unwell kind of like flu kind of symptoms.

[00:10:46]Carla:  So did he have it first?

[00:10:48] Sameera: So he had it first, but what he decided to do during that time was to go and stay elsewhere just because I was pregnant. We wasn’t sure how it would be, um, with me getting. COVID during pregnancy. So we took the decision, um, that he would kind of move out temporarily. Um, so that I would kind of be safeguarded against it and somehow I still ended up with it. So I don’t really know how, I mean, maybe even from packages or from deliveries and things like that. That’s the only thing I can really think of. Cause I stayed home the whole time. 

[00:11:29] Carla: Gosh, it’s frightening. And, and how did you feel initially when you first got it or did you just kind of, did you know because of your symptoms?

[00:11:39]Sameera:  I mean, I felt really unwell and I just felt like I had a really bad chest infection and it was kind of, I just felt really, really, you know, drained and unwell. At first I kind of thought it may just be due to the pregnancy, um, because I had taken COVID tests and on two occasions it came back negative. This was at the end of December, um, around the 28th or 29th of December, I was doing COVID tests and they came back negative. Um, but then it kind of got worse and normally with a cold and flu. It goes after a week or two and it just, it didn’t go. Um, and it was just, it was on the off chance that I actually went for an appointment in the hospital. Um, that, they did a COVID test there. Cause they said to me, I didn’t look very well and sent me home and did a COVID test. And then two days later I got a message stating that I had COVID um, on the message to say that it was positive. Um, but by this point I was already, really really bad to the point where I couldn’t breathe properly at home. I mean, an ambulance had to be called on one occasion. 

[00:12:53] Carla: How far were you into your pregnancy at this point? 

[00:12:57] Sameera: At that point I was 27 weeks. 

[00:13:00] Carla: Oh, God bless I bet you were so worried.

[00:13:03]Sameera:  I was really worried because I know, you know, I know premature babies do really well. Um, but on the off occasion, If it’s too early, can be potentially really dangerous. So I was really stressed out and worried about, you know, how it was going to affect me. But by that time it was so, you know, so bad that I ended up having to go into hospital. 

[00:13:28] Carla: Oh, God, I bet that was frightening because I remember even seeing the news with people, poor people with COVID in hospital and it just looked, I mean, I just couldn’t even picture it.

[00:13:39] Sameera: It was absolutely chock-a-block to the point I went into the hospital and they sent me away and said I’d needed to go home and self isolate. So I actually went home and then a week later, I was still really bad. So at that point I couldn’t actually walk or anything because I couldn’t stand up. I had no energy. Um, they actually gave me one of those, um, oximeters for your finger. And my oxygen levels was going down to like 60%.

[00:14:12]Carla:  Oh my God. I bet you were so frightened as well.

[00:14:17] Sameera: Yeah it was really bad. I mean I called an ambulance again, but the ambulance, I believe I called them at 11 o’clock at night and I was still waiting the next morning at 9:00 AM for an ambulance. 

[00:14:27] Carla: Oh my God.

[00:14:27] Sameera: Because of how bad it was. It was, it was really, really bad. 

[00:14:31] Carla: Oh, oh my goodness. I can’t even imagine it. Sorry. I’m just kind of, I think, oh, it’s so frightening that, um, what was your husband with you then at this time or were you still? 

[00:14:44] Sameera: So yeah. He had come back because his, um, self isolation was kind of over his symptoms had gone. Um, and he was all well and good. So he came back home. Um, at that point, obviously we was waiting for an ambulance and it just wasn’t coming. So a neighbor of ours actually offered to take me to the hospital, knowing that I had COVID, but you know, they was concerned about me as well. So they took me to the hospital and that’s where it kind of all started because as soon as they saw me, they rushed me in. And at that time in our local A&E, they actually had two sections for COVID patients, because there was such an influx at that time of people with COVID. They had actually turned the whole back part of the A&E into like a COVID only area, um, that we went into. And I remember being wheeled in on the wheelchair and I was absolutely like gobsmacked at the amount of people that I could see, like on respirators. You know, masks and breathing machines. And I was absolutely petrified. 

[00:15:54] Carla: Were these people, all different ages as well, or? 

[00:15:57] Sameera: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was old people that was, there was children. Um, a mix, like a complete mixture. 

[00:16:04] Carla: Mm oh, it’s frightening. It’s frightening. And bless you going through all that. So, so where did you go from there then after the A&E? 

[00:16:13] Sameera: So they put me into the A&E part of the covid part. And then from there, they transferred me up to a ward for COVID. On the ward, because I remember in the A&E department, they was giving me different breathing machines and they just wasn’t helping improve my oxygen. Um, they tried about four or five different machines and it just, it was just not increasing and not helping. So they sent me up to a ward that was specially designed for COVID. Um, and I remember one of the doctors come and spoke to me and they were saying your oxygen isn’t increasing even with full power machines. So the only option we have. To help, you know, give your body a bit of a break and to, you know, save your pregnancy is to put you into an induced coma. Uh, at that point I, you know, I was so unwell, in terms of my breathing that I agree, I would have agreed to anything at that point because it’s awful when you can’t breathe and you know, you’re worried and none of the machines are working. It’s a really scary time to be in. 

[00:17:32] Carla: Oh, I can’t even imagine that, that, that is frightening because even the thought of, I mean, I, if someone said that to me you’d just be worried that you’d never wake up again, wouldn’t you. 

[00:17:42] Sameera: I did, I started messaging everybody with, you know, these like really emotional soppy messages. You know, if I don’t wake up, look after my children, and then I’ve got kind of an influx of phone calls, um, saying what’s going on. And then I just kind of explained to my family that there was going to put me into a coma to help me breathe and to kind of relieve my lungs. Um, and that’s kind of where it started from. They, after my, I made my phone calls. They took me up to the ICU ward and then that’s where it started. They put me into the coma. And, everything from there on was a blur. 

[00:18:22] Carla: Did you speak to your husband and your children before this happened? 

[00:18:25]Sameera:  So yeah, I did. I called them. I explained to my husband what was happening and, you know, I kind of just explained to the kids that mummy’s in hospital at the moment. I’m not feeling very well. Um, but we kind of took the decision not to tell them exactly, what was happening because we didn’t want to worry them. I mean, my children are still quite young. My eldest is eight. Um, uh, my youngest, um, before I had my new baby was only three at the time. So very young, they don’t really understand at, that age as well.

[00:19:03] Carla: Oh God, I bet your husband was beside himself. 

[00:19:06] Sameera: Yeah, he was, he was really worried. I mean, he came from like a medical background, so he kind of knew that that was going to possibly be an option. Um, just kind of relieve my lungs. Um, but yeah, from what happened after they put me into the coma, we, nobody expected to have what happened after to happen. And we didn’t think it was going to be such a long time. 

[00:19:32] Carla: So tell us what happened then once you were in the coma then. 

[00:19:37] Sameera: So once they put me into the coma, um, at first I was stable and I was okay. And then a day went past and my body kind of started to shut down. My heart stopped. My lung collapsed and my kidneys stopped working. And at that point, They were trying their best to kind of get everything sorted out and done. They put a stent into my lungs and, you know, put me on dialysis to try and fix my kidneys, but it just, nothing was working. So they actually then called my husband. And at that time there was no visiting in hospitals, um, due to COVID and they said to my husband, you need to come in. My husband was just, I think at that time he knew that it was bad news because he, he, I remember him telling me that he couldn’t think straight and all he could think about was why are they letting me come in to visit my wife?

[00:20:38] Um, so then the doctor kind of explained to him, you know, your wife is actually, in a really bad situation, you know, her organs shutting down and based on what we’re seeing right now, there’s like a 10% chance that your wife’s probably not going to like wake up. 

[00:20:56] Carla: Oh God.

[00:20:58] Sameera: And at that point, obviously. That’s the last thing you really want to hear. Um, then they had like a discussion about, you know, what was going to happen with the baby. And they actually took this decision to take baby out early. Um, and at that moment, just to try and save the pregnancy because my body was fully shutting down and the next thing would be the pregnancy would then obviously be. You know, possibly terminated at that point. If my body is shutting down.

[00:21:27]Carla:  Of course. Did your husband have to agree to that or? 

[00:21:30] Sameera: So yeah, he did. He went to the hospital to agree to that, you know, them taking baby out early to at least give baby a chance. And yeah, they took baby out. They were planning to actually do it the next day. But when my husband actually came to the hospital, um, I started, you know, not responding and I was dramatically getting worse. So they actually in the middle of the ICU did an emergency C-section they didn’t even take me to theatre.

[00:22:02]Carla:  Oh my goodness. Oh gosh, you must have been like. In a terrible, terrible way.

[00:22:09] Sameera: Yeah it was, it was, it was really bad. 

[00:22:12] Carla: Um, gosh, gosh. Right. 

[00:22:16] Sameera: What their main worry was that if they took me off the machine, like I wouldn’t make it to theatre. If they took me off the machine on the ICU by the time I’d got to the theater, I would have already been gone. 

[00:22:29] Carla: Oh god, that makes me so sad. Oh you’re so brave sharing this story .

[00:22:34] Sameera: I think its really important because people, you know, I saw a lot when I woke up on the ICU and a lot of pregnant people were in the same situation and unfortunately didn’t make it so. It’s really, it’s important for me to share this with others. So other people can really see that this is serious. It’s not just something we can throw around. Like it’s not, no, it’s a serious, you know? 

[00:23:05] Carla: Oh, it is. And you’re so brave for sharing this but, so, so go, going back to your baby, then you baby them was born at how many weeks?

[00:23:13] Sameera: She was 29 weeks when she was born. 

[00:23:16] Carla: 29 weeks goodness. And, and, and what happened with you then after the birth? Did they, I’m guessing they managed to kind of stitch you up and you think your body that’s even more for your body to take on isn’t it? 

[00:23:27] Sameera: Yeah, definitely.

[00:23:29]Carla:  Major surgery.

[00:23:30] Sameera: Yeah, definitely. And I mean, from what I was told, they, once baby was taken out, I kind of, they kind of resuscitated me and things like that. And I slowly started to respond and was at one point they called my husband and said, you know, your wife is stable. And that was kind of good news at that point, because at that moment, my husband all he had been told was that there was a 10% chance of me waking up and to be told that I was stable, it was really, you know, a relief for him. Um, I mean he got numerous phone calls because I would be stable one moment. And then out of nowhere I would just completely deteriorate and they just really couldn’t understand what was going on. That why one moment I was fine and then out of nowhere I would completely deteriorate. And you know, the dialysis machine that I was on would continuously clot and things like that. So that’s, that’s also another issue that was happening at the time. 

[00:24:36] Carla: It was like, everything was against you really, you know?

[00:24:41] Sameera: Yeah. 

[00:24:42] Carla: Gosh, gosh. Um, so, so your little one, then I’m guessing, um, they went into the ne neonatal unit. Did they? 

[00:24:51] Sameera: Yeah. She, um, at first she was on a breathing machine, um, and they, they did state that, you know, um, she would probably be on it for a couple of weeks, but she’s definitely a fighter. She was taken off of it after four days and was breathing on her own completely fine.

[00:25:10] Carla: Did she get checked for COVID? 

[00:25:11] Sameera: They did do tests, and thankfully it didn’t pass on to her. 

[00:25:15] Carla: Wow. 

[00:25:16] Sameera: Thankfully.

[00:25:18] Carla: Yeah. 

[00:25:19] Sameera: Crazy, because you’d automatically think that it would. 

[00:25:22] Carla: Yeah. 

[00:25:25] Sameera: Yeah. We were really happy about that. 

[00:25:28] Carla: Oh goodness. So, so how long did you stay in this coma for then? 

[00:25:33] Sameera: So I was in the coma for two months.

[00:25:38] Carla: Woah. 

[00:25:39] Sameera: Two months.

[00:25:39]Carla:  Months. Oh my goodness. I bet. I mean, oh, do you remember anything from being in the coma? Like, do you, what did it feel like? Did it just feel like you were put to sleep and then you woke up or? 

[00:25:52] Sameera: Yeah, I mean, I actually don’t remember anything from being put to sleep. I mean, the last thing I remember really was them saying, them injecting me through a cannula, with some sort of drugs to kind of ease me off to sleep and then placed the mask on me and me going to sleep. That’s all I really remember. And then the memory from after that, the only memory I have from after that is when I woke up and, I was really confused. And I was just kind of wondering where the baby was, because that’s the first thing I remember remembering that the baby’s not, not in there. I can’t feel the baby.

[00:26:32] Carla: Oh gosh yeah.

[00:26:33]Sameera:  I was really worried at that time, because when I woke up, I was fully paralysed. I couldn’t speak, I couldn’t lift my arms. I couldn’t move at all. And I was just in this bed looking. And I was just really worried. The only thing I do remember is when I did wake up is the machine alarms going off and then, them rushing over to me and it must’ve been, my heart rate going through the roof or something. Um, but yeah, they rushed over to me and kind of said, it’s okay. And they kind of explained to me what had happened. They explained to me that baby was okay. Baby was taken out by emergency C-section and she was doing really well on the NICU, the neonatal unit. Um, and they, they just said to me, you know, you’ve been asleep for a very long time. And they explained to me I’ve been in a coma for two months and I just remember thinking, wait, so I have a two month old baby and it just felt like, it just felt like, you know, going to sleep one night and waking up.

[00:27:40] Carla: Oh my goodness me. That is, two months, that’s so long. 

[00:27:46] Sameera: Yeah. 

[00:27:47] Carla: Oh gosh, bless you. And, and then after that, I mean, would your recovery. How, how was your recovery after that? How long did you have to stay in hospital then?

[00:27:58] Sameera: I was in hospital until, oh gosh, let me think back March. Um, the end of March. Um, but then I basically, because I wasn’t allowed to go home because I still couldn’t move any of my limbs. They actually sent me to a dropdown unit, which is like a residential kind of like a, it’s kind of like a care home. Um, but for physio therapy and while I was, I was there a week and then. Something else happened. I actually had a mini stroke from COVID. Um, you know, my physiotherapist came into the room and I remember feeling really, really unwell. And I said to her, I’m not feeling quite right. And then that’s all I remember the next thing I woke up in hospital again, and I was told that I had had a fit. And they’d sent me for a scan and I’d had a mini stroke, which was related to having COVID. 

[00:29:07] Carla: Oh, I feel so sorry for you. Everything you’ve been through, it’s just been awful.

[00:29:12] Sameera: Yeah. It’s been, it’s been an eventful year. 

[00:29:15] Carla: I bet part of you though is so thankful that you little ones okay. And that you’re okay. But at the same time, it’s so unfair because like this shouldn’t have happened. So, so unfair that you had to go through all that. 

[00:29:29] Sameera: Yeah, it’s, it’s definitely been a difficult year for our family. Um, I mean, we’re, we’re getting better now. Um, things are improving, you know, we’ve recently moved house because where we was living previously, um, it was on the 23rd floor of a tower block. Um, and it was a Maisonette, so it had like a lot of internal stairs, so I wasn’t able to even move around the property. So I was actually stuck in my living room kind of as my bedroom. And yeah, it’s just, its not an ideal way to live, but we have recently moved house. We’re now in, you know, a wheelchair accessible property. Um, you know, I’m, I’m doing really well. It’s a lot better for my children. It’s a lot better for me. And I’m able to do, you know, the little things that I wasn’t able to do before, like put my children to bed and these are the things that you take for granted really when you’re able to do them. 

[00:30:29] Carla: Do you know? Yeah. That that’s it exactly like sometimes if George says, oh, mummy I’m all right for a story or something, I’m like, yes. And I think I got out of it, but like, you know, being in your situation and everything, you’d give anything to read that story to your little, little one at night. And so something I wanted to ask is, is it, what was it like meeting your little one for the first time? 

[00:30:52] Sameera: So it was really overwhelming. Um, I mean the first time I actually met her was when she was nearly three months old. Um, because they wouldn’t let me see her. She was in hospital, um, in the neonatal unit, but I was in the COVID ICU still, even though I had been cleared of COVID. And I was allowed to leave the ward, um, in my bed, they still wouldn’t allow me to go down to the neonatal unit, which, you know, at the time I was really upset, emotional. I just had a baby and I kind of was like, it’s not fair, but now, now I think about it. They, they made the right decision because at, you know, young, small babies like that, if they caught COVID to the extent that I did, it could be a completely different situation. 

[00:31:42] Carla: Mm, gosh, that must’ve been so hard. 

[00:31:45] Sameera: It was, it was really difficult, but I mean, when I first met her, it was just surreal. I just, it was really strange cause I haven’t had a C-section before either, I had three natural births. So to have a C-section it’s kind of, I felt like. Is this actually my baby. And I mean, at first it was really difficult because I’d been asleep for so long and in a normal situation, even if it was an emergency C-section, you would kind of know that you was in labor and the lead up to that. But I kind of just went into a coma and woke up, with another baby, which if it was really surreal to be honest. 

[00:32:26] Carla: Yeah. I mean, gosh, my situation is nothing compared to yours, but I mean, my son, he was born early and um, gosh, you know, I, it was only a day or two before I saw him, but I remember looking in and thinking, is he even mine? You know, you just it’s that bond, isn’t it? Because you  initially have the bond with your babies when they’re born straight away. But when they’re kind of taken away. It’s all that’s taken away from you as well. Isn’t it? It’s not just your babies there. That’s, that’s so hard. So, and also you also children not seeing you for two months?

[00:33:01] Sameera: Yeah. Well, by the time that I saw my children, it was close to nearly four months. 

[00:33:06] Carla: Oh.

[00:33:06]Sameera:  Yeah, that was, it was so difficult for me. At first obviously when I’d woken up from the coma, I was still on quite heavy drugs and I was sedated quite a lot, but once that all started to wear off and I become a lot more aware of things, it really did start to get to me. And you know, you can face time and you can make phone calls, but it’s not quite the same. 

[00:33:31] Carla: No, you just want to be with your family don’t you? You just want to be at home. Oh. So, so now currently your current, situation then you’re currently in a wheelchair. Um, and I know we touched on that a little bit before, but how are you finding that? The change and everything is it really hard?

[00:33:50] Sameera: You know what. A lot of people have said to me, I don’t know how you do it. And I don’t know how, you know, you’ve come out of this the way you have but I alway try to look at the positives in life. Like to the point where a lot of people didn’t make it in hospital and I, you know, pulled through, I can still see my children every day and some people can’t. So, you know, I can’t complain about how I am now. I mean, it’s difficult. It really is, you know. Being able to fully walk before and being completely independent.  To the point when now I have carers and my husband cares for me and has to do a lot of things for me, it’s very difficult for me, but I mean, I am getting there. I mean, I’ve recently just joined the gym. 

[00:34:37] Carla: Oh, wow. 

[00:34:38] Sameera: Yeah. I’ve recently just joined the gym. I’ve been a few times its completely, it it’s so strange being in the gym and you know, you get a lot of looks and people look like, oh, how are you going to get onto the machines and things like this. But, you know, I push myself every day really to try and break, you know, those, those, when people look and they, they don’t really know how to approach things, I try and break that, you know, That stereotype really, and just kind of get on with it.

[00:35:14] Carla: That’s, that’s amazing. You’re doing amazing and, and with the wheelchair, is there, is there any likelihood that, you know, you can kind of eventually not have that? Or is it something that you will have? 

[00:35:25] Sameera: So, what they’ve said to me is that there’s not enough research at the moment as to what the long-term effects of COVID are, but I am getting stronger every day. And you know, they’ve said to me that it’s going to be a very long road for me to be able to walk again. But I’m determined to get back to what I was, and I’m determined to kind of, you know, push past the barriers that I have now. I mean, even though I can’t feel my legs properly, I can move my legs. I can’t feel my legs properly at all. Um, but I can move them and I kind of move myself around based on where I would look at my legs and look at my feet where they are on the floor for the positioning. And I would kind of pull myself up with my body weight to kind of stand. So that’s kind of like where I’m at at the moment in terms of my recovery, I’m able to stand now, but I’m not able to walk. So I do need the wheelchair to get about. Um, but yeah, I am, I’m determined to really get back to where I was. 

[00:36:36] Carla: But you’re only a few months. I mean, if you look at how far you’ve come as well, because if you only got out of hospital, did you say March? End of March.

[00:36:44] Sameera: Um so April. So in April I came home. And yeah, a lot’s happened in that time, we’ve moved house and you know, but I’m doing much better. Um, I’m mentally in a much better place now than I was when I first came home. So yeah. I mean, um, I’m feeling positive about everything.  I’ve got my little baby girl at home. Yeah. She’s, she’s beautiful. So I’ve got a lot to be happy for so. 

[00:37:16] Carla: You’re so brave. And you’re such a fighter. I mean, I’m sure if we did an update on this in a year’s time, you’ll be even, you know, further along with your recovery. How is your breathing and stuff like that after have you had any, anything else that you’re finding that is taking a while.

[00:37:34] Sameera: So when they decided to, um, bring me out of the coma. They, my husband, they actually did ask my husband while I was in the coma can we do experimental treatment on your wife to which he declined. Um, he was a bit shocked or they asked me that actually. Because they could have asked me before they put me into the coma, but they decided not to, which we thought was a little bit cheeky, to be honest. But, um, the fact that I was pregnant, my husband didn’t want to kind of go down experimental treatments, um, just in case the worst happened. Um, but yeah.

[00:38:20] Carla: Yeah, I could totally get why he’d feel like that. I mean, I’d be, I’d be like, you know, we’re not just a number, you know we are people? 

[00:38:29] Sameera: Yeah. I would love to have helped out, but I mean. The risk is your life, isn’t it? 

[00:38:36] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. I would definitely. I mean, to be honest with you, I’d hope to God, my husband said you know, no with that. No one wants to be an experiment, do they and i think.

[00:38:47] Sameera: Of course

[00:38:48] Carla: And, and it was really important for me to get you on here. And I’m so thankful that you said yes, because I just think one you’re so brave and it’s such a story at the moment. I mean, especially with me being pregnant I have been asking a lot of questions around the vaccine and I’ve received quite a lot of messages of absolutely don’t do it. And I’m just a firm believer that I think you do what’s right for you. Um, you know, everyone’s got different opinions on things, but it is very important that some people, I mean, some people are saying still I’m still seeing status is on Facebook thinking this is some kind of hoax. So it’s important to me to share this. Just so people are aware of how dangerous it can actually be. 

[00:39:28] Sameera: Yeah. I mean in terms of like my breathing and stuff now. I feel like I can breathe. I feel like when I woke up, I was healthier than ever, which is really strange. I mean, like, I feel that my breathing is better now than it was before. I actually lost a lot of weight throughout the coma as well. I lost 25 kg while I was in the coma. Just obviously due to my muscles wearing away and things like that. Um, but I mean, I have regular checkups every three months and I use this kind of breathing machine to measure my lung capacity. And I am definitely, my lung capacity is getting a lot better than it was previously. Um, so yeah I mean it’s definitely improving. 

[00:40:17] Carla: And, and the trauma side of it. I mean, obviously it’s something massive. I mean, that you’ve been through. Do you think you’ve dealt with that or do you think it’s still, still very much there? The trauma. 

[00:40:31] Sameera: I mean, when I first came home, it was kind of really difficult in terms of understanding what had happened. And, you know, I would constantly ask my husband loads of questions and, you know, I feel like now I’m in a really good place. I’m able to talk about it really easily. And I’m just really grateful, really that I’ve come through it in the positive light, and I’m still here to see my children grow up, you know?

[00:41:02] Carla: Well, I think you’re an amazing person anyway. And I just want to say, thanks so much for sharing your story with us. So thank you so, so much for coming on. 

[00:41:13] Sameera: No problem at all. It was a pleasure. I hope that all your viewers can take something from this and, you know, understand that it is very serious. And I mean, it’s different for every person, but you never know if you’re going to be one of the lucky ones or you’re going to go through the worst.

[00:41:35] Carla: Yeah, no one has a crystal ball. Do they? So it’s just a, maybe doing enough research and making sure you make the right well, trying to make sure you make the right decision for you. Um, thank you so much anyway, and hopefully we’ll be able to catch up soon and see where you are up to. 

[00:41:52] Sameera: Yeah, definitely. Any time.

[00:41:54] Carla: Thank you. 

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Creating the Perfect Sleep Environment for your Baby Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:11:04 +0000 Today Carla speaks with child sleep specialist Gemma Coe. Carla speaks with Gemma about how to create the perfect sleep environment for your baby.

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  • Creating the Perfect Sleep Environment for your Baby

Today Carla speaks with child sleep specialist Gemma Coe. Carla speaks with Gemma about how to create the perfect sleep environment for your baby.
They discuss what a perfect sleep routine is, why a sleep routine is so important to a baby, do babies need to sleep in the dark and safe sleep.

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[00:01:15] Hello and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby Expert Podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK. To answer your questions on everything. Pregnancy to preschool .Today, I am joined by Gemma Coe, child sleep therapist, and she is going to be talking to us all about the sleep environment and creating the perfect sleep environment for our babies. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 

[00:02:08] Hello everybody. And welcome to My Bump 2 Babies Expert podcast. Today I am joined by Gemma Coe. She is a child sleep specialist, so hello, Gemma, how are you?

[00:02:20]Gemma:  Good. Thank you. Yourself?

[00:02:22] Carla: Yes good thank you. I’m really excited to talk to you because today we’re going to be talking to you about child sleep environment, which is very important. Isn’t it? 

[00:02:33] Gemma: Absolutely central to a child being able to sleep well at night, baby or child. So, yeah, we’ll talk about that today and what parents can do at home. 

[00:02:42] Carla: Brilliant. Brilliant. So, Gemma, can you, first of all, just introduce yourself so people can get an idea of where, where you’re from and also how they can find you. 

[00:02:53] Gemma: Yeah, absolutely. So my name’s Gemma Coe and I live down in Sevenoaks, just outside London. Um, and originally I trained as children’s nurse and then went into medical education and training. So I spent quite a lot of time working in London in charity sector and for organisations such as big universities and the Royal college of paediatrics as well. Um, but this is a slight deviation after having two babies into working for myself and I’m absolutely fascinated by sleep and how to get more of it.

[00:03:26] Carla: Oh yes always.

[00:03:27] Gemma: At all costs. If people are interested in what I’m saying and if, if they can relate to it, then, then they can find more information at 

[00:03:38] Carla: That’s brilliant. Yeah. I think a lot of sleep specialists tend to start after they’ve had, their own children, um, as well, and I could see why. So, so Gemma, um, let’s get started then. So what do we mean by sleep environment and creating the perfect sleep environment? 

[00:03:58] Gemma: So it’s a little bit of a fancy term, but realistically it’s just about what’s around us. So, so many parents contact me and say, I’m doing this wrong, or I do this, or I do that, or my baby does this. My baby does that. And I want my baby to do this, but. There two things, but this is also what’s going on around us is. Cause If there’s a loud drill outside, the baby’s never going to sleep regardless of what you do or what the baby does. So there’s kind of three factors. There’s the parents and the routine, and what’s set up for the baby.

[00:04:29] There’s what the baby does and whether they can settle themselves and resettle themselves, but there’s also the sleep environment. And I just feel like it’s probably one of the things that we don’t think about enough. So it’s all the external influences such as temperature in the room. Sound like I’ve just mentioned, brightness as well. We talk about light and dark when the baby sleeps and any sort of form of distractions. And that could be, I don’t know, something like a cot mobile or a Teddy bear. Or, the parent themselves.

[00:05:01] Babies, just about to fall asleep and somebody picks them up that sort of thing. Um, and of course, some people can sleep anywhere. Right. So, when I used to commute into London, you’d have all of these really annoying people that would just always sleep on the train. And I was super jealous. I can’t sleep anywhere. I need a really, really good sleep environment. And so we don’t really know that about baby yet. So what we can do is just provide the best environment for them to give them that chance of falling asleep. So yeah.

[00:05:37] Carla: I think that is something that people don’t think about. Cause we’ve done podcasts on, um, you know, routines and all that, which is great. But yeah, of course the sleep environment. Yeah, totally agree. That’s something that probably gets overlooked a lot of the time. Um, so, so why then is sleep environment important then Gemma? 

[00:05:59] Gemma: Oh, I think kind of, it just sort of summarised it slightly there. I think it’s about despite our best habits and our best intentions, with things like getting the naps, right. Depending on the age of the child and the bedtime routine, it can be lovely and it can involve infant massage and all sorts of other things. And even if, you know, they’re able to settle, but if distractions are still out there, it can limit people’s success. And so that’s why it’s important. And it’s like super important, for just consistency and, you know, kids only learn when we repeat again and again and again and again, and if it changes every time, then they don’t really know what to expect.

[00:06:40] So, um, it’s just a little bit of the science behind sleep is that we all go through different sleep cycles. And when the baby gets about 12 to 16 weeks, then their sleep cycles become a little bit more like an adult. So they go through an actual sleep cycle, which is also about the same time as they have a massive regression. So people always get in touch at about four months. But basically we go through the sleep cycle, which means that we fall into a deep stage of sleep, but we pass through this light phase of sleep. So it’s the active dreaming stage into this deep state of sleep back through the light stage of sleep. And then we always have something called a partial waking and I see like caveman times, right.

[00:07:25] So we would, we would wake up we’d check we are ok. Would check there is no lions in the den, that sort of thing. And then we’d fall asleep and it’s, it’s what we do now. If you fell asleep, and you woke up and you noticed the light was on that wasn’t before you would wake up properly and you’d be like, what’s going on, right. That light wasn’t on you just drift back off to sleep. You wouldn’t even remember you woke up. Now, that’s the same thing as we’re trying to do for the babies, the baby, when they come out with that stage of sleep, they have this partial waking. And what we want to do is notice no difference. It needs to be exactly the same as when they fell asleep. So they don’t notice anythings different, so they don’t wake up fully. And this is one of the things that we can try and control with the sleep environment, making everything exactly the same as it was when they fell asleep. And they’re far more likely to fall back. 

[00:08:15] Carla: Oh, wow. Thats great advice. Yeah. I’ve never thought of it like that. Yeah. 

[00:08:19] Gemma: It’s just about, it’s just about giving them the best chance of success. 

[00:08:24] Carla: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I suppose if, if you wake up and there’s things going on, you want to have a look at what’s going on don’t you? So that, that does make sense. 

[00:08:35] Gemma: Yeah. Yeah. So I think for a baby, like it might be that, um, maybe  there was a cot mobile on. Right when I fell asleep and now it’s stopped. And lots of these sort of white noise animals that only last for 45 minutes that might be there that were playing lovely. And now that’s stopped. Maybe a parent was rocking them to sleep. They’re not there anymore because the baby’s been put down and they’re like, hang on. What’s gone on? That’s not the same as what it was when I fell asleep. So I’m going to wake up fully, which is why you get babies that wake up 45 minutes on the dot, on the dot, on the dot. So that’s what we’re trying to do here. 

[00:09:15] Carla: Ah, right. Okay. So, oh yeah, because a lot of people put these cot mobiles on don’t they? So yeah. How, how would you tackle that then? I suppose, would you have to put that back on each time or is it a case of not actually falling asleep when that’s on or is that a totally different scenario completely? 

[00:09:36] Gemma: You just move it. Move it to the changing mat so they’ve got something to watch and distract them when they’re having the bottom changed. And then just try like the perfect sleep environment. We’ll talk about it later. Is the one with nothing, like we can be sold all of the toys in the world and we buy into it and actually. Just move it to a fun play space. When you want your baby awake, then you play with the toys. 

[00:10:02] Carla: Yeah. No, that makes a lot of sense. That’s brilliant advice. Um, so a question, a lot of parents have, um, I know I had it as well. When, when my little boy was little, is, do babies actually need to sleep in the dark? 

[00:10:16] Gemma: Well, ideally yes, but we also, it goes back to my previous point that some of that babies can sleep everywhere. And actually when babies are super young, like under 12 weeks. Yes. They pretty much can because their day and night patterns are a little bit mixed up anyway. But what darkness does is it allows our bodies to secrete a hormone called melatonin. And it’s also known as the sleepy hormone. It basically, it’s just the trigger for us to go to sleep and that’s stimulated in the dark. So to give our body the best chance of releasing that hormone, we go with darkness.

[00:10:53] It’s not always possible, daycare settings, for example, but again, what we’re looking here is looking at best practice and those who are trying to get their babies into a bit of a routine for sleep might find it good just to limit naps to darkness throughout day when they’re trying to get their babies into a bit of a routine.

[00:11:13] So really the best advice. Um, with darkness, um, is, do you things like blackout blinds, you can, you can get ones with little suction cups that you can put on as well. Um, and probably the best rule of thumb is best environment is one that you couldn’t read a book in. So if it’s that dark, it doesn’t have to be pitched black. But if it’s that dark, it’s dark enough for the body to secrete that hormone, which is just super useful. And also there’s other benefits to darkness is it helps keep the environment cool as well, which is really important for sleep. And it helps the babies not see the fun things in the corner of the room. Particularly when they get to about eight months of age, massive fomo, they can see their toys or they can see maybe the parents staying in the room with them or something like that. And they’re like, Ooh, that’s far more exciting than going to sleep. So it helps limit that as well. So its not just about Melatonin its got other advantages too.

[00:12:11] Carla: That makes sense. So for naps then, is that, would you encourage the parents to make the room a bit darker at that point? Or would you say that they’re a bit different? Because they’re shorter. 

[00:12:24] Gemma: Yeah. When you can, I would particularly for the like, the long  lunch time nap. You know where that’s going to stay with the kids until they’re about three years of age. So you might as well when you can get that right. I also though, I’m not too much of a stickler for it because especially when people are going through, you know, trying to get their baby to sleep, it can be quite exhausting. You know, new parents also like the first or the third nap is a great one for just doing it in the pram. Just to get a bit of exercise, have a little bit of a break. It’s good for us as well. So I’d always try and do the longer lunchtime nap, in the darkness and maybe one other. Um, but you know, get a bit of exercise when you can. 

[00:13:09] Carla: Yeah. And, and with that, sorry, I’m generating all sorts of questions here with that thought but, with it, with the nap. Do you think it’s better than not, you know, with a nap. Is it better than being away from the bedroom when they are napping? Because otherwise they might wake up and not know whether it’s a nap or whether it’s actually bedtime and get a bit mixed up with the routines. Is it better to keep them downstairs?

[00:13:35] Gemma: Ideally get them used to their sleep space. So when you walk in the room, it’s kind of like a little baby’s spa. It’s like calm spa, the lights are low and they just know, that, that room is for sleeping. And again, it’s like what I said earlier about routines and consistency that they know what to expect. So if you put them down in like a fun space and you expect them to sleep? They’d be like, but I was playing here before. So it’s all about just getting them used to, you know, that space, that environment. Um, and so, you know, you can kind of control that space as much as you can. 

[00:14:10] Carla: Thats great. Oh, no. Brilliant. Thank you. So babies again, I suppose we’ve touched on this a little bit, but my next question was, do babies need to sleep in a quiet space and is white noise good for getting babies to sleep? Cause I know a lot of parents like the white noise and some parents swear by white noise don’t they. 

[00:14:32] Gemma: Yeah, exactly. And it does come a little bit as to, you know, we are all different and some babies love being patted to sleep and some babies hate it. If somebody patted me to sleep i’d, be really upset. Whereas I used to live with someone who loved being stroked and that would just send them to sleep if someone stroked her arm. And i’d be like I couldn’t imagine anything worse. So ultimately we’re different and some babies can sleep with lots of noise. Um, particularly you’ll find times, particularly in the first part of the night where babies can pretty much sleep through anything. You can have a little disco in their room and they just would sleep through it.

[00:15:12] If you tried that in the lighter stages of sleep, maybe from about 3:00 AM. You’ve got no hope that baby’s going to completely wake up. So there are times that they can sleep through and theres times that they can’t. Um, so like I said, um, trying to control noises particularly from about 3:00 AM onwards is really, really important. So that can just think a little bit wider than just the house that could include the traffic out on the street maybe building up. The rubbish truck coming along. Even the birds singing, maybe the boiler starts up and particularly in the winter months, the boiler starts up at about 5:00 AM and the pipes clang that’s enough to wake baby and keep the baby awake. Or maybe it’s, I don’t know, mum, dad, whoever getting ready and doing a shower in the morning before they go to work. So you can’t control all of these noises so what we’re trying to is mask the noise with a really horrible, slow, consistent noise, which we call white noise, white noise or pink noise, as well is a different type of noise.

[00:16:15] Carla: Oh wow I have not heard of that one.

[00:16:17] Gemma: If you like pink, go with pink noise.

[00:16:19] Carla: Oh yeah. 

[00:16:21] Gemma: Um, so. It’s actually, it’s not so much about getting the baby to sleep with white noise. It’s about keeping the baby asleep. So like I said earlier about when they have that partial wakings and you realize everything’s exactly the same. If the white noise is consistent, that’s all they can hear and they drop back off. So there’s loads of products on the market. Like I don’t know, I don’t really want to diss any of them. They’re great for toys, but typically mimics some sort of animal that you put in the cot. And the play white noise that they only play for 45 minutes. So if you’re going to use white noise, it has to be consistent for the whole duration of the nap and the whole duration of bedtime. So seven to seven, if that’s the routine you use. Um, so you know, between about 50 to 60 decibels as well. It’s about same volume as an adult conversation. So when you play that consistently, it seems really loud. Um, but actually that’s, that’s enough to mask the noise and then just put the speaker anywhere between the baby and where the noise is coming from.

[00:17:30] So obviously it’s the window it’s outside. You put speaker there. If it’s more likely to be from siblings playing downstairs or mum getting up and having a shower at 5:00 AM then you would put it by the door. Um, and it’s super easy to wean off as well. When the baby’s now got great sleep habits, when their body clock is kind of set and their sort of all sorted, just reduce the level of the white noise, maybe two dispels every night, every few nights. And the baby will learn to sleep without it.

[00:17:57] Carla: Oh, wow. What great advice. Because that’s what I would be worried about, I think is getting them used to something and then having to go say, you’re staying at grandparents hopefully soon we’ll we’ll be able to properly do all this but. Um, yeah. Say for example, you know, you’re staying out, um, then you know, when you’ve not got access to white noise, then are you going to have a problem, getting them to sleep? That’s what I’d be worried about, but I suppose if you can easily wean them off. Um, it sounds good. 

[00:18:26] Gemma: Yeah. And so you don’t need anything fancy, right? There’s apps that play it, um, even Spotify have got like, tracks that you can just play on loop consistently. There’s one, which doesn’t fade out. So you don’t get the click click as it goes into a new track, and then you can use, I can’t say it too loud, cause my one will go off. But you know, there’s sort of the internet speakers like the googles and the Alexa’s and all those sorts of things to play it. So you can control it from outside of the room as well. 

[00:18:54] Carla: Oh, great. Yeah. So it’s not just kind of, um, you know, it being set up in your house, you can take it anywhere with you, so that’s really handy. So, so how then would someone create the perfect sleep environment? And I know we’ve touched on little bits of this, but what would your advice be around that? 

[00:19:13] Gemma: So I guess, so think about temperature in the room as well. We don’t want it too hot. We don’t want it too cold and that’s great SIDS advice as well. So ideally you’re aiming between sort of 16 and 20 degrees obviously, and you’d dress your baby accordingly, but as long as they don’t have icy cold hands and feet, and as long as they’re not sweaty. So, you know, it’s a nice, they’re warm to the touch. That’s what we’re aiming for.

[00:19:37]Carla:  A temperature gauge in a, in a bedroom is a good idea. Is it?

[00:19:42] Gemma: Absolutely. Yeah absolutely. Try not to get one that gives of light cause then go back to the whole darkness point or maybe just take the temperature, particularly at that sort of coldest point in the night, like sort of two to 3:00 AM. And if it’s pretty consistent, then that’s what you’re looking for. Um, so completely think temperature. Sleeping bags are absolutely great. Cause they stay on the baby, you know, the tog rating. And it’s right for the season and try not to upgrade to like a toddler duvet too soon, because that’s one of the most common reasons for waking is through cold, where the duvet has fallen off and they’re not yet old enough to pull it back on them. So they require the parents to do that for themselves.

[00:20:22] So, you know, you can have sleeping bags all the way up to the age of three. Um, I think I’ve just, just seen one that goes up to the age of five. If that’s what the kid likes and they are really nice positive sleep association as well. So definitely think about the temperature in the room. Not too cool. Not too hot. Think about the light, like I said earlier as well. And if you can use blackout blinds. And remove all the distractions, just go super plain and boring. If you’ve got a separate space in the house for toys. Excellent. Move them all there. If you don’t then just try and screen them off a little bit in the bedroom, and also just think this, this sleep environment  for them. Just think baby spa, right? It has to be just super chilled out when you go in there. And I know that’s sometimes easier said than done. And if you’re having a battle with the toddler, maybe the toddlers, you know, refusing bedtime or just trying to get away with it a little bit longer, little bit longer, or if your baby’s crying and you’re getting really, really worked up and those emotions can transfer. And so it just really important just to put them down and make sure they are safe. Leave and then just re-enter that room when you are super calm and then help settle them again, like just, you know, you need to create a really positive sleep space. There’s no sort of stress or emotions involved as well. And I think that’s really important. So remove anything like thats stressy and that might include yourself. 

[00:21:50] Carla: Yes. Yeah, I have been there. My son’s five and he still stresses me out before bedtime. I have to go out for a minute. Because kids just don’t want to go to bed do they?

[00:21:59] Gemma: Not when there is fun stuff to do. Why would you?

[00:22:02] Carla: Exactly. Exactly. See, I’m always ready for bed, so yeah, it’s a bit different when you’re an adult, isn’t it?

[00:22:10] Gemma: Catching up from what you did as a child.

[00:22:12]Carla:  Exactly. Exactly. So, so, um, Gemma, can you now touch a bit about, touch on a bit about safe sleep? Because we all talk about safe sleep, but sometimes it’s just safe sleep and we do know little bits, but I think there’s a lot, a lot to think about when it comes to safe sleep.

[00:22:29] Gemma: Yeah, there is. And a lot of it is actually about the sleep environment. So first and foremost, I’d absolutely recommend the lullaby trust website it is super, super awesome. And their information is just so readable and user friendly. Um, and also the NHS has got great guidance on SIDS as well. Um, but there’s sort of safe sleep environment, in terms of the sleeping environment. Obviously, and I think most people do it now, but it’s just a gentle reminder that all babies need to be on their backs for sleep, and then there’s been nothing else in the cot. Um, and so that includes things like the nests as well, that, you know, we kind of get used to using and the cot bumpers and things like that. Um, even lots of toys can be A distracting and B is not safe, kind of the risks reduce when the baby’s able to roll away from danger and they’ve got more strength to sit up or to move stuff themselves, and then sort of gradually the, the risk goes down and down, but it also includes things like loose blankets if you’re trying to cover them up or if they’re wearing too much at night. So there’s a few things that they’re thinking of.

[00:23:39] Ideally, they would be on their back for sleep in their cot, at all occasions. So, you know, I have got a 12 week old baby. I know how difficult it is not to fall asleep on the sofa, you know,  with, with a baby when you absolutely exhausted. But if you’re really, really tired just put the baby down because it’s, you know, it’s much safer that, that baby’s in a cot with nothing else around them. Than with you on the sofa. The other thing which we have touched on is just making sure that the baby is not too hot and cold. Um, so we’re aiming for about 16 to 20 degrees where they are. 

[00:24:16] Carla: Day and night, is that Gemma? Day and night?

[00:24:19] Gemma: Yeah absolutely yeah. Um, so no icy cold hands or sweaty babies. We don’t like sweaty babies. And so you can also control what they’re wearing for the, for the temperature as well. And, um, online, you can see some really great, sort of infographics about what the temperature is and what the baby should be wearing in terms of the sleep suit and the, the level of the tog as well.

[00:24:41] So there’s some really good information out there. Um, and I think they’re the main things really with safe, sleeping and the room environment. Just keeping it clear, keeping it nice, warm temperature, um, and just removing all those sort of distractions. So it’s not just that it distracts them sort of from sleeping is that also can be dangerous.

[00:25:02] Carla: Mm, I have heard. Um, I know, well, I know of a few mums actually in our group that use a, um, a sock. I don’t know whether you’ve heard of these. Um, but it’s a sock that they get their baby to wear. When the first born that kind of sets off an alarm, if there is anything. Are they something that you have spoken to anyone about, or do you know a bit more about those or anything?

[00:25:26] Gemma: Yeah. And like lots of parents, particularly if they have had their babies in special care for awhile, they’re quite keen to use them as well. And they can be really, really helpful, especially if theres sort of causes and reasons for concern over your baby. But I think it’s also important that we sleep as well, as well as the baby. So what we don’t want to do is use the product to almost put us in a state of constant worrying and constant anxiety because actually if you follow the guidance, your baby will be as safe as your baby will be. And what we don’t want to do is sort of overanalyse and overthink things. So like when I’m trying to wean my parents off of, you know, they maybe they’ve been I don’t know, their babies than waking eight times at night. And now they’re in a room watching the video monitor waiting for  their baby wake. You have got to chill a little bit and just let your baby sleep. They’ll do what they’ll do. As long as you you’ve done everything you can do to make it safe. Don’t worry too much. And so, you know, the socks are better than the thing, the mats, that used to go into the cot cause, the baby would roll off, the alarms would go off and everyone would be in panic. But I think, really think why you’re using those, if it’s cause it’s a medical condition, I really get it. Um, but yeah, watch your own level of stress and worry. 

[00:26:45] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. I suppose if it calms you down and actually makes you calm and then it may be worth it, but also if it puts you in a state of constant anxiety, then it’s probably not worth it. Oh, no, that’s great. I just wondered about those actually. So that’s great. So, Gemma, um, will you explain what you do then? Um, I’m sure people have got it. Um, but what you can help with and also where parents will be able to find you.

[00:27:11] Gemma: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Um so I can help with lots of different things regarding sleep. So I work with parents, who’ve got even in the antenatal stages and they want to know how to set up their environment for safe sleep or what’s the best sort of science around it. So I work with some pregnant parents, too. Um, but typically I work with people, who’ve got babies and small children between the ages of nought to five. Um, and so I either worked with them on a one-to-one basis or sort of just over the telephone as well. Um, and sort of we look at things like, um, the routines and what they’re railing to achieve. We look at the sleep environment and we also look at teaching the babies, how to settle and how to resettle at night and become nice independent sleepers.

[00:27:58] Um, and so. What’s so important to me is having this really nice long conversation with parents first to understand about them, what their sleep goals are and the temperament of the baby. Because every single plan I do for parents is completely unique because you know, it’s not one size fits all. Everyone’s got different goals. Every baby is completely different. Some babies will sleep everywhere and I will not ever speak to those parents and thats absolutely fine. Cause their baby is somebody who can sleep everywhere. But quite a lot of parents contact me, particularly mums, if they’re returning to work. And, you know, it was absolutely fine to wake up three times and do feeds, you know, for the first nine months. But actually now I’m exhausted. I’m totally exhausted. And I need, you know, I’m happy with one feed, but how do you sort of say. We work with parents goals. And also sometimes I have to tell them what’s realistic.

[00:28:54] Carla: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, so what age would you start working with parents then from, you know, if, if there’s obviously it’s, it’s normal for babies to wake up as well for food, but what age would you say to get in touch with you from, and also do you help with toddlers as well then? 

[00:29:13] Gemma: Yeah. Yeah. Up to the age of five. I work with all ages. And I think people think, oh, sleep training means cry it out. That’s not, that’s not true at all. That’s totally not true. Sleep training is like, it’s about sleep support. I hate the term sleep training. So I just think there’s too many people that associated with just leaving your baby to cry. 

[00:29:32] Carla: Yes yeah, not about that.

[00:29:34] Gemma: But children typically under the age of five months, we’re looking at far more about sort of good promoting good sleep habits, getting them into good strategies and learning those skills of sleep. And then sort of post six months, perhaps there’ve been a few bad habits that have been picked up sort of getting rid of those habits as well. 

[00:29:55] Carla: Oh, that’s great. So you can work with people from the beginning, really if they just want to create those kind of oh, that’s, that’s great. Yeah. Brilliant. So can you tell us just where we parents can find you, um, as well, and also, are you available via zoom and, and, um, in your local area as well for meetings?

[00:30:15] Gemma: Yeah, absolutely. And obviously with the pandemic, all sort of one-to-one support in the home has sadly, but off. And, but, so we did great zoom meetings, lots of telephone, support, emails, texts support as well. Um, but the best thing to do is probably just go straight to my website. It’s Just fire off an email to me, ask me a question and I’ll tell you how I can help. 

[00:30:41] Carla: That’s amazing. Gemma, you’ve been amazing. I have learnt so much. My son’s five I’m like, but you know, all of these things like sleep environment, I actually didn’t think about. So thank you so much for sharing that. I’m sure people found that really, really useful.

[00:30:56] Gemma: You’re welcome. Thank you very much. 

[00:30:58] Carla: Thank you. Thank you.

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Eco Choices for Baby and Planet Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:52:37 +0000 Today Carla interviews Laura Crawford the owner of popular Eco-friendly nappy brand Mama Bamboo. They discuss Why everyone should try to go green? What the eco options are and when does eco really mean eco? 

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[00:01:28] Hello and welcome to My Bump 2 Baby Expert podcast, where we bring experts from all over the UK. To answer your questions on everything pregnancy to preschool.Today, I am joined by the lovely Laura Crawford from Mama Bamboo. Mama Bamboo offers eco-friendly nappies and wipes. And today we’re going to be talking a bit more about nappy waste, how it affects the environment and how we can make a change today to make a better future for our children. I hope you enjoyed this episode.

[00:02:21] Hello everybody. And welcome to the, My Bump 2 Baby Expert podcast and YouTube video today. We’re recording on YouTube as well. So today we have the founder of Mama Bamboo, Laura Crawford. Hello, Laura, how are you? 

[00:02:40] Laura: Im good thank you. Thank you so much for having me on today. 

[00:02:43] Carla: No I’m really looking forward to this subject today, we’re going to be talking all about eco eco and saving the planet and the, and the environment aren’t we, Laura. And you can do this through nappies wipes. And obviously that that’s a bit about your business. So Laura, tell us a little bit about Mama Bamboo then. 

[00:03:04] Laura: Certainly. Um, so I started Mama Bamboo, uh, just after having my two children, three years ago. Um, and really I started it because I personally didn’t get on very well with reusables at the time, or the nappies that were available off the shelf. Um, and I, I really was looking for an eco option. That was the sustainably produced. And friendly to babies skin, um, and that didn’t leak all the time. Um, so I, uh, in frustration really at what was available, I created the Bamboo compostable nappies. Um, um, it’s been a really interesting three years because actually the eco landscape for nappies has changed. Um, even since my two were little , um, um, there are many more brands available now. Um, the subscription business around nappies has really boomed especially during the COVID years.

[00:04:08] Um, the availability, all, all in one reusables  that are actually easier to use than the ones that were available five years ago. Um, so the space has changed immensely and our business has grown within that space. Um, and we now strongly have a really good loyal, subscription-base that use our nappies on a regular basis every month, um, which either use exclusively eco disposables, or combinations of eco disposables, and reusables. Um, and it’s just been fascinating to see that rather rapid change in consumer behaviour. Um, to the point that now 20% of all parents are using eco disposables and reusables, um, which is a huge step forward for the country. 

[00:04:59] Carla: That’s amazing. Yeah. I mean, the thing is we do see these things, don’t we about looking after the environment and it’s like, oh yeah, well, I’ll do a little bit. And then it’s like, well, we’re still using a lot of parents. That’s 80% are still using. You know nappies, uh, you know, and it is still damaging the environment and our children. It’s thinking of our children’s future as well. Isn’t it? 

[00:05:23] Laura: It is and i think sometimes people don’t understand the extent of their impact on the environment. Um, so one of the facts that kind of staggers most people is the average baby will use six thousand nappies before they are potty trained. Six thousand nappies.

[00:05:44] Carla: My goodness.

[00:05:44] Laura: Um, and this leads to in the UK 3 billion, disposable nappies being used every year. 

[00:05:52] Carla: Thats frightening.

[00:05:52] Laura: And then when you throw in wet wipes as well, 11 billion wet wipes get used every year and 90% of them are made of the plastic. You don’t know whats in a nappy , like you, don’t sort of look at your nappy and think. Oh yeah thats clearly plastic, isn’t it.

[00:06:10] You have to really find out the details, but the cover is made of plastic, that the liner is plastic. The chemicals that go into them. And your wet wipes are the same there are plastic sheets, um, no less damaging than a single use carrier bag from the supermarket. 

[00:06:27] Carla: Thats frightening. Isn’t it? Because they were almost disguised a little bit. And you know, you wouldn’t ever think, oh, this is plastic. Like you said, and its as damaging 

[00:06:39] Laura: Yeah and its damaging and that those 3 billion nappies that go into landfill will sit there for 500 years because they are plastic. Or they’ll be incinerated and produce toxic fumes. Um, and the fact that they actually use 150 mils of crude oil, per nappy produced, which is a staggering amount actually. And that they use Chlorine bleach and that they use latex and PVC, and they’ve got perfumes and lotions in them that are completely unnecessary, and it just happens to be how the nappy industry has developed. Um, but there are alternatives to this. Um, I mean, our nappies don’t use all of those plastics or chemicals, and there are other brands as well.

[00:07:26] Um, Kit and Kin and Eco by Naty are the other two that we often talk about, our 3 brands use mostly plant based materials. Um, we don’t use chlorine. We all have either recyclable, easily recyclable or compostable packaging. Um, Um, and they’re readily available. You don’t really have to hunt for them anymore, the industry has changed. It’s very simple to either find them on a supermarket shelf or sign up for the subscription services.

[00:07:56] Carla: Yeah.

[00:07:56]Laura:  And I think that that’s a big step forward for parents. I think in the past, whenever we talked about eco nappies and eco wipes everybody’s mind goes to Terri cloth, where a nappy being in the corner of the bathroom, sitting there for days, uh, lots of laundry, hot washes, and then, and then hanging around the house drying. But actually the world has moved on.

[00:08:22] Um, and an awful lot of parents now do their eco nappying by choosing  eco disposables, and, modern day reusables. Even modern day reusables are not like what our parents had to use. A long time ago, my day.

[00:08:40] Carla: And mine.

[00:08:42] Laura: Um, the last century, anyway, um, the all in one nappies that are available (inaudibe)  or the two  they are a lot simpler to use than the terry cloth and actually they’re a lot easier to launder than the old terry cloth, um, so I think when we talk about eco nappying now people need to kind of get to know what the new options are on the table. Um, and we encourage an awful lot of parents to combi nappy, which means using both a reusable and an eco disposable. Um, and we’ve found really that that helps somebody, elongate an eco napping journey where maybe if you go purely reusable, it can be a little daunting, especially off the bat day one. A lot of parents will give up or find it too difficult. Um, but not to say that others don’t, I think 6% of parents do actually use purely reusable. 

[00:09:46] Carla: Yeah. That’s amazing. 

[00:09:50] Laura: By using a combination of the two, we find that more parents can build this into their lifestyle. Easily. That they can manage a few reusables in the day, eco disposables at night, uh, reusables when they are at home and convenient, eco disposables when they are out and about or going to grandmas house. Um, and just it helps parents actually find a solution that works with their lifestyle because our lifestyles are busier these days and we want to encourage parents to get out with their children, go to classes, now that they’re available again. 

[00:10:28] Carla: Yeah. Thank goodness. 

[00:10:32] Laura: And you know actually finding that combination that works with their lifestyle, um, and choosing the better quality, more natural products that are available. 

[00:10:42] Carla: Yeah, I, like you said, with com, doing it, um, combi really, it means that, you know, you actually kind of really helping. No matter, even if it’s a small change, you know, it makes a big difference. Doesn’t it? The amount of nappies, like you said, 6,000 before they’re potty trained, you know, even if you can cut that down, you know? 

[00:11:03] Laura: It’s a huge difference isn’t it? Particularly what we often say for combi napping is when your baby’s first born. It’s all a little bit overwhelming, um, best to chose an eco disposable, eco disposable wipes. For the first 6 weeks. You know, your whole life has just woosh, let’s get used to it. 

[00:11:26] Carla: Yes.

[00:11:27]Laura:  Whats convenient to you. Also when a baby’s newborn, they are very very small, obviously their bottoms are tiny. An awful lot of the modern all in one nappies actually are too big. Um, so you know, the first 6 weeks, exclusively eco disposables, and then don’t go all out like I stupidly did with my child. And it all went a bit Pete Tong.

[00:11:53] Don’t buy 30 reusables straight off the bat buy three. Just three and then on a calm day, when you’re at home, try the reusable. Three nappies, see how it goes, wash them, launder them, get yourself a little routine. Continue using the eco disposables when you’re out and about. And for the rest of the time and overnight. And if you are comfortable, buy another three, elongate how long you can do that, that routine. And then it will be up to you whether you make the full move and decide to use reusable all of the time, or whether you come up with a routine that, that, you know, I like eco disposables at night. But I don’t mind using reusables during the day. 

[00:12:43] Carla: Yeah. 

[00:12:45] Laura: Or if i have gone on holiday, let’s face it, nobody really wants to be doing reusables in a caravan. You might prefer to use eco disposables for the whole time. Um, you’ll also find sometimes, um, childminders and nurseries, aren’t really keen on reusables and they prefer you use a disposable nappy.  Um, so a lot of people ended up kind of doing a bit of both, um,

[00:13:08] And thats really sort of how we elongate somebodies Eco journey, um, uh, and  make it convenient for them. Um, I can certainly remember the early days when I stupidly went out and bought myself 30 reusable nappies off the bat. And was you know  I’m going to be absolutely perfect. I can remember crying in the corner on certain days it was all just a bit too much. I would have been a lot better off  kind of finding my balance.

[00:13:38] Um, and thats really how we encourage a lot of our clients  and it makes a huge environmental difference. So for every eco disposable you use, instead of a standard disposable, you save 150ml of crude oil. Um, you save on the chlorine, um, And the nappy itself can break down, it depends which brand you use, but you could have a compostable  one or you can use a recyclable one, um, and for, every reusable one you’re obviously saving on any disposable nappy. Which is even better. And the same with wipes, if you can use a reusable almost the same cloth. Perfect. Um, and if you can use a biodegradable or compostable wipe, that’s a huge difference. I don’t know if anybody saw War on Plastic on BBC last year, where they showed the tonnes and tonnes, uh, of wet wipes, plastic wet wipes and just stinking mass that will never degrade its just going to sit their in landfill forever and a day. But any time you can make an eco choice. You are making a huge difference to the environment. 

[00:14:55] Carla: Yeah. And like you said, as well, if you can do a mixture of both recyclable as well, you might even find that you save money and do you know and do it that way. So then a bit of a mix is, is another way that you can kind of do it as well.

[00:15:11] Laura: I think one of the things that sometimes put people off using reusable. Is this idea that you’ve got to shell out for 30 or 40 nappies on day one, which is quite expensive it runs to a few hundred pounds before you’ve, even tried  it. It is a lot better to buy 3, you know thats probably only going to cost you. £20 or £30. 

[00:15:33] Carla: Yeah. 

[00:15:33] Laura: Give it a go And then, and then you can build up to it. So you don’t have to, you don’t have to invest so much before you have really given it a try. And equally with the eco disposable nappies. Once you have tried a sort of pack of them and got familiar with which brand you want to use. I think nearly  all of the eco disposable use a, a quite a heavy discount for anyone that subscribes. So if you’re on our site Mama Bamboo , we offer a 20% discount if you subscribe, which actually makes the nappies quite affordable. Whereas I think a lot of people, assume, if I’m going to go eco its going to cost me an arm and a leg. 

[00:16:14] Carla: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It’s just kind of looking out for those things and we’ve tried your nappies, we’ve done quite a few reviews on your nappies, and they’re fantastic really, really, really good. Um, and I do think it will make huge difference cause there’s a lot of more people definitely looking at these programs and stuff on TV and thinking, oh my goodness. Like, and if everyone just made a small change, it would make such a huge difference. Wouldn’t it? 

[00:16:41] Laura: And I think sometimes people are slightly put off by what I call, green washing out there. They all, they feel like they are going to get sold a lie or a con. Um, and, and they’re a bit nervous because actually there’s such a lot of information out there and some of it is strictly true and some of it is more questionable, um, and they can just find it a bit confusing, they don’t know which one to choose. Um, on our website actually if anybody wants to go and have a look, there is a blog that compares all the different eco nappy brands and we break it down into what’s in the cover. What’s in the liner. How much chlorine is used, what the packaging is and how easy it is to recycle or compost it. What the certifications mean on all of the nappy, um, and what that  company is doing in terms of ethical and sustainable business practices.

[00:17:40] Um, and thats actually, really useful, um, blog to have a read of. And equally they can go to the good shopping guide or the ethical consumer, um, who have done all of these tasks and, you know, rated and ranked. All of the various nappy companies to say actually were actually, when somebody says it’s an eco nappy, and people kind of question oh is it an eco nappy. That really helps to break it down and say, actually our nappies have a hundred percent plant based covers. Um, um, a hundred percent compostable liners in them. Um, equally Eco by Naty and Kit and Kin are the same. They’re a hundred percent, some of the other eco nappies can be as little as 15% natural based materials in their covers. Which means 85% plastic. Um, and they may not have a compostable or recyclable liner. Um, so it, it helps to kind of break down some of those myths and people can feel more confident in their choices.

[00:18:50] And thats whats really going through parliament at the moment. So there’s an environmental bill. That’s been going through parliament now, for two years. That is calling on all nappy brands to state clearly the full list of ingredients. No greenwashing. You have to say exactly what you use in what percentage.

[00:19:10] Carla: Brilliant.

[00:19:12]Laura:  We support that 100% because.

[00:19:16] Carla: Well, you don’t know what’s on your child’s. You want to know what’s touching your child’s skin. Do you? You want to know it? You know.

[00:19:24] Laura: We really do. And, it does make a huge difference to a child’s skin. Um, Pampers themselves  did the report, when they released Pampers Pure, um,  and the, the conclusion of the report it was about sensitivity and nappy rash. The conclusion of the report was by not using chlorine. And by having in their case 20% cotton in the covers, it reduced sensitivity and nappy rash, um, in, in the test population of baby. Um, and we find, day to day, a lot of people come to us to say, actually using bamboo, has reduced the nappy rash in our children. Whereas if they use something else nappy rash comes back in five minutes. I swapped to yours, it’s gone again in two days. Um, and that is the difference. So if you were using a normal nappy, you are wrapping your child up in plastic.

[00:20:18] And having the bacteria that obviously comes from wee and poo, you have got a perfect breeding ground for bacteria, um, which is going to cause nappy rash. We are trapping it all, I mean, in this weather, ugh that is not nice. Um, whereas our nappies are breathable. So by having natural materials on the nappy, by having a breathable liner you are not trapping that keeping that in. And bamboo itself is naturally anti-bacterial. So that also helps reduce nappy rash.

[00:20:53] Carla: That’s excellent. That’s really useful. Now we’ve got some questions. I know we’ve been talking a lot haven’t we,  but its, I might have covered some of them, but I’m going to ask you them anyway, you just so in case we’ve missed anything. Um, so bear with me a second. I’m just going to get these up now.

[00:21:15] Okay. So Laura, if you can answer then why should parents go green? 

[00:21:23] Laura: I think probably the first thing is the understanding that a normal nappy is made of plastic and a normal wet wipe is made of plastic. It doesn’t look like plastic. But it is. It’s also made with chemicals like chlorine, a lot of them have adhesives and dyes in which aren’t vegan certified.

[00:21:46] Um, and some nappies even have perfumes and lotion, which are just completely unnecessary.

[00:21:51]Carla:  For a baby, yeah, you just, don’t.

[00:21:55] Laura: And wet wipes equally they are plastic. And then really check ingredient on those wet wipes. Some of the ingredients are, um, endocrine disruptor. Which actually effect a babies hormones. The baby skin is so much more porous than ours. It’s so much more sensitive. Um, so you really don’t want to use them on your baby. Um, um, you really don’t want that plastic and all those chemicals, uh, in, in your baby nappy changing routine. Um, and it’s just that staggering fact  I think that babies get through 6000 nappies in the first couple years of life. And  around 12,000 to 18,000 wet wipes. Wow. You just don’t want to be contributing that to the environment. 

[00:22:44] Carla: Absolutely. I know. I think we have covered that point, but I do think it’s important too, to stress around that because it is, like we said, just before it does make a huge difference. Even making a small change. Um, like we’ve said so, so I think we’ve covered this as well, Laura. Um, but what are the different eco options and what does eco, when does eco really mean eco? 

[00:23:11] Laura: Eco disposables um, and there are a variety of brands available, um, and it’s worth doing your  research to find out actually, what are the ingredients within those eco disposables, um, And there are all in one pocket nappies. Um, that are the reusable option. Um, and  most parents, that go down the eco route use a combination of the two. Um, they, they want the convenience of the disposable or the high performance over night time etc. Um, and they might use a reusable when they’re at home or it’s convenient. Um, within their own routine. The eco disposables as I say, there is quite a range of eco disposables available and they range from 100% plant based down to around 10-15% plant based, but they will all, none of them have latex or pvc in them, none of the eco disposables should use perfumes or lotion. Um, and they will all have a  percentage of plant based material in their design. Um, and the eco disposable brands all tend to be higher on the ethical consumer rating. Um, and they will have done things like carbon neutralising. Um, so they’re sort of the better option to the standard nappy. But it’s worth doing your research and finding out exactly what goes into those. There are eco disposable wet wipes available, um, they function exactly the same with the normal wet wipes, but they’ll compost down. They are made a 100% of a plant based material. Um, and then there are the reusable versions, as I say, um, they, they usually. Most of them these days are the all in one version, but then have a, a little booster padding locked inside a little pocket. And they’re often cotton or bamboo.

[00:25:13] Carla: Can I ask around those actually, because a question I’ve got only because I’ve never really used those, um, is how does it work? In terms of, do you change it every time your baby has a wee or like, is it and what happens after an explosion basically? Like how, how do you, what’s the best way to tackle that? Because I think that’s probably a thing that parents, you know, they get the nappy, the great thing, like about your nappies as well as you can just be like, right. See you later, that’s out the window, but how not out the window, literally, by the way, um, Absolutely not, but what, what would you do in that circumstance? 

[00:25:54] Laura: Yeah. So if you’re using a reusable, um, it baby has a, a little wee it’s probably okay for a little while. So if you’ve got your booster padding there it can soak that away from the baby’s skin, um, they’re not as good at soaking it away from babies skin and absorbing it as , an eco disposable, um, because they don’t have kind of the same makeup in their material.

[00:26:19] But it can pull it away. And, um, after a while you’ll notice that it’s starting to get a little bit full and babies skin might be a little bit damp, so whip it off.  If it is, as we described the poonami, which is full and explosion, the best thing to do it take it off. I mean, ASAP get it away from the babies skin, because no matter what you’re using, you do not want that sitting on your babies skin that is bacteria loaded and is going to cause a problem. Get it away. If it’s a reusable, if you can kind of tip, as much as you can down the loo.

[00:27:01] Carla: Oh yes good thinking.

[00:27:02] Laura: Tip it down the loo like an adult would go and then it’ll go through the water system. If its solid when they are a little bit older and they have started eating solids, you can kind of just push it off. When they are little and you have got that, what I used to call the seedy mustard stuff that was a bit more smeared. Try and put as much down you can, then the way I used to do with Harry, jug of water and you sort of use a jug of water from the sink and kind of rinse a little bit and try and get as much off as possible. Don’t do what my mother did once, which was then take the nappy and then run it under my sink in the bathroom. Um, which then meant it was all around the sink. Just stick to the loo and you can nicely flush it down.

[00:27:57] Carla: Yeah.

[00:27:57] Laura: And once its sort of reasonably clean, you can just pop that in your nappy bin. So you’ll have a, a reasonable size wet bucket. Um, usually with a good lid on it. Um, and then just pop that in there. Um, it can be an either cold water for a little while. Um, some pop them in dry, its really your choice, um, at least every two days, but ideally every two days do a wash using Eco detergent. Um, They used to say, use a 90 degree wash. You don’t need to use a 90 degree wash. You could get away with a 40 degree wash.

[00:28:40] Some prefer 60 but you know thats your choice.You could get away with a 40 degree wash, make sure that it’s a long wash, so not the, not the short ones that we often use in the day. I know I do a lot of our washing at 55 mins. Use a full two hour or three hour, whatever your washing machine is set too. And make sure it runs through, um, getting nice and clean. Line dry where possible, I mean, in this weather and you’ll be done in like a couple of hours. Perfect. Obviously in the winter that is a little bit harder. Tumble dryer use negates all the environmental benefits. And in a lot of cases, can actually damage the material. So these, these new nappies instead of the Terri cloth, these new kind of all in ones often have a waterproof cover on them.  Um, and that is damaged by using this tumble dryer. So you can shorten the life of your nappy. So do try and line dry as often as possible.

[00:29:40] Um, in the winter, I mean, it’s very tempting to line, dry them over your radiator. Don’t do that. Actually the heat coming up from the radiator can also damage them. Away from the radiators.

[00:29:51] Carla: Just on a maiden or something like that. 

[00:29:54] Laura: Yeah stick it on a maiden or just pinned up.You know? Um, I know it’s hard if you’re living in a

[00:30:01] flat or you don’t have access to a washing machine, that can make it trickier. But as I say if you combi nappy. It wont be so overwhelming and then the only last thing really, to be aware of is probably about once a month, or so, you might consider doing what we call an ammonia  of your nappies. Um, or I think it is also referred to as a strip wash. Um, and it will depend on how often they’re being used and the treatment of them. But just occasionally you might find that you get a slight smell of ammonia in them it’s coming from the baby’s wee. And then eventually that can build up and bring a little bit of nappy rash. But actually a quick strip wash and you’re good to go again. 

[00:30:45] Carla: Great.

[00:30:46]Laura:  So it’s not that hard. And I know there is a labor involved in this extra washing, as I say, if you, if you combi nappy and just build your way into  reusables, you’ll find that you, you’ve got such a routine that it just kind of fits in with your weekly routine. One of the things that we often say to parents is give yourself a break. So if baby is teething. If they are in a really disturbed week for one reason or another, you know we don’t get to do it anymore. But you know, we’ve been on holiday and babies a bit jet lagged. We don’t get to do that now.

[00:31:26] Carla: No, no thats been taken as well. Yeah. Cant have that anymore. 

[00:31:32] Laura: If it’s been, you know, a tricky couple of nights or tricky week. Give yourself a break. Use the eco disposables for the whole time for a day or two, avoid the washing. Take a deep breath and give it another go.

[00:31:47] Carla: Yeah. That’s why it’s great to have both options. Isn’t it really? Um, I mean, yeah, I think that, and then you’re just working out what works for you. It might be in the afternoon that it makes sense to just use the reusable ones or, you know, but like you said, it’s, and then you’ve got both options. It’s like, right. I’m busy these next two days. I’m just going to do this option. And yeah, I really like that idea. That’s really, really good. I’ve never thought of it like that before, to be honest. 

[00:32:15] Laura: Yeah. I think too often we get stuck on the, a hundred percent ideal, oh we have to do a hundred percent reusable, a hundred percent breast feeding. If I dare give them one bottle, you know I’m a bad mum.

[00:32:33] Carla: Yeah thats what you feel like don’t you?

[00:32:35] Laura: Its fine use combination, workout a routine that works for you. And just give yourself a break. It’s not supposed to be, a difficult time. Or certainly nappies are supposed to add to the difficult time that you were already having. 

[00:32:49] Carla: Yes, no, you’re right. Yeah, exactly. No, that’s 100%. Right. So I know it’s stressful enough as a parent, isn’t it? You know, you’ve got that much going on. I think. Um, yeah, it’s just a case of by combi napping, it just takes away that stress of doing just one thing. 

[00:33:06] Laura: And give yourself a pat on the back for every eco disposable you use and every reusable you use . Give yourself a pat on the back and say hey I did not use a plastic one. Well done me.

[00:33:17] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That’s brilliant. So why does Mama Bamboo then use, choose. Should I say bamboo? 

[00:33:27] Laura: Um, so we chose bamboo but I looked at all the materials that were available and what I could switch out some of the materials for. The two options on the table to me were an organic cotton or a bamboo. Um, um, organic cotton is a much better material than normal cotton because you’re not using fertilisers and pesticides but you are still using an awful lot of water . So, uh, cotton is a very, very thirsty crop. Um, and actually there are areas in the world that have been almost drained in order to irrigate cotton fields.

[00:34:10] Um, it’s one of those, although organic is much much better for the environment. Um, it’s not perfect.  Nothing is perfect. But bamboo is not that thirsty, so bamboo does not require irrigation, um, uh, it grows organically no fertilisers or pesticides.  You also, by using what we use is, um, FSC certified bamboo or Forest Stewardship Council certified. Um, we know that the bamboo is sustainably harvested. If you harvest a bamboo forest, you don’t cut down the whole forest. You actually only take down about a third of the forest at any one time, which encourages light into the forest floor and encourages regeneration. So it’s not like trees or cotton. You’re not actually cutting the whole plant down. Bamboo grows immensely fast. During its growing season, you can almost watch it growing.

[00:35:16]Carla:  Wow. 

[00:35:17] Laura: It can grow 13cm in an hour. Its incredible stuff.

[00:35:21] Carla: Oh my goodness.

[00:35:24] Laura: Um, you probably think you’ve made a mistake because it just grows. It grows like a weed and it takes it over.  You really have to cut it down and restrict it down unless you do want a bamboo forest in your garden. So those were the environmentally reasons why we decided we wanted to use bamboo. And then there was a reason that actually was better for baby by being so breathable, um, being naturally anti-bacterial. Um, it was helping with that nappy rash. Um, and that was really why we chose bamboo. We always kind of, want to balance out that its better for the environment, but it’s also better for baby. We have to balance every time. And thats why we chose the bamboo and actually it has been commonly used in Southeast Asia for baby products for hundreds of years.

[00:36:14] Carla: Oh, wow. That’s amazing. 

[00:36:18] Laura: We haven’t used it here, because obviously bamboo is not grown in the UK.

[00:36:21] Carla: No, of course. Yeah exactly. So, so how, um, how does using plant-based materials help avoid nappy rash? Now I think we’ve covered this because of the other things that were in plastic nappies. But is there anything else that you could add to that or go over again?

[00:36:39] Laura: I think its really about that if you’re using a plastic nappy. A there are chemicals tied in there as well. But plastic traps heat, it traps bacteria it leads to huge bacteria growth in a nappy area which can lead to nappy rash. It’s not at all breathable. If as a, as a lady if you have ever used a sanitary pad over night, you know in your knickers, um, and it’s been a bit hot. You know it’s not that comfortable.

[00:37:11] Carla: Oh no.

[00:37:14]Laura:  Um, now a baby is wrapped up in that plastic 24/7 for two years. That’s a long time.

[00:37:24] Carla: Oh it just makes me itchy the thought of it.

[00:37:34] Laura: But it’s the same for a baby. That not comfortable wrapping them up in plastic. And it was actually shown in 2008, 2009. When we have the economic collapse. And a lot of parents, switched for supermarkets brands and slightly, cheaper versions of nappies. So sales rose. So did the sales of nappy cream.

[00:37:59]Carla:  Oh really? Wow. Goodness. Yeah. 

[00:38:03] Laura: So plant based is obviously better and we know that. Um, adults will happily pay,50 60, 70 pounds for bamboo sportswear and bamboo socks. Because we know that natural materials are better for our skin and they help to breath. Lots of ladies will buy their husbands bamboo socks. Because it helps not to let their feet smell. 

[00:38:28] Carla: Oh, that’s a good tip. I’ll add that to the Christmas list. No thats, that’s really useful with the eco wipes. I know we haven’t really touched on those. Um, how, how does eco wipes help, you know, avoid allergens and protects delicate skin?

[00:38:48] Laura: By using a natural material, obviously you’re, you’re improving your environmental impact rather than using the plastic wipes. But also the likelihood is, if you’ve chosen one of the biodegradable eco wipes, it will avoid the allergens that are in an awful lot of wet wipes . Um, some of the wet wipes on the market today that are marketed as baby wipes and even  sensitive baby wipes will include some pretty horrible ingredients, um, that have been proven to be endocrine destructors.

[00:39:23] Endocrine destructors can actually affect a babies hormones, you don’t want to be using that on the babies skin. Um, some of them, even include some materials that are  formaldehyde releasing. And again, you don’t want that near a babies skin. A babies skin is so much thinner than our skin. It soaks up the chemicals that are on it, um, so much more than, than an adult’s skin. Um, and it just more sensitive at that stage. I mean when they are really, really little  they used to say just use cotton wool and water. Um, actually there’s been quite a lot of studies done, to say using a wet wipe is better because you actually , you don’t pull on the skin as much it slides over the skin better which is excellent. Um, but you do have to be careful about what involved in that cleansing solution. I think usually , by using an eco one the companies are more ethical, and they will have avoided an awful lot of the allergens that have been in previous wet wipes. But it’s always worth checking the ingredients on the back. 

[00:40:40] Carla: What I found with your wipes actually is they’re so strong. So instead of having to use. Um, uh, a previous make, um, when I’d have to get like four, I only needed to use one. Um, you know, and it was literally, and it was strong, so it kind of pulls everything away and that makes a big difference. Cause you actually save money then as well, you can start to look at it that way.

[00:41:06] Laura: The bamboo makes them strong. So yeah, some of the eco wipes that are available are kind of a paper-based one, sort of a paper pulp. They, can tear a little more often, whereas the bamboo is strong. I mean bamboo is incredible. It can be used to make the softest babies nappies and clothing. It can equally be used to make hardwood floors. 

[00:41:29] Carla: Wow. That’s crazy.

[00:41:31]Laura:  Bamboo is the most incredible material. Um, so yeah, they are, they are stronger. And what I love about are wipes. Is we sometimes have people say to us, I can’t get my mascara off with them. And I’m like, good. I don’t want you to be able to get waterproof mascara off with the same wipe you put on your babies skin. I really like that when people say but they are really rubbish on my waterproof and I’m like good.

[00:42:04] Carla: Yeah. Good. Yeah. That’s, that’s a really good point, actually. Gosh. Yeah. So, so Laura, then can you tell us a bit about where people can find you and what options you’ve got available at Mama Bamboo for parents that are looking to go more eco-friendly. 

[00:42:20] Laura: Yeah, certainly. Um, so to find us, the easiest place to find us is on our own website, which is

[00:42:28]Carla:  I’ll put that link in the notes to this podcast as well.

[00:42:32] Laura: Perfect. Um, and, um, we are also available on Amazon and Ocado so you can get us with your weekly shopping. Um, we always kind of advise, if once you have tested it. Wherever you first get your first pack from, if you come to us and get your subscription you get the 20% off, which is a big bonus. Which is perfect really. Um, um, the options vary from you can either get a little sample of two, uh, which is the sample is free. You just pay the postage and that’ll give you like a little pack with just two nappies in them. Um, so you can sort of test them for quality. However, we do advise if you want to do a, trial to buy a trial bundle, which is a full-size pack of nappies and a full-size pack of wipes, cause that gives you three or four days worth to test. And really you want to test them day night. Um,  you want to see whether actually they do contain a poonami, um, whether they can contain a really heavy wet in the night. Um, and that just gives you a little longer and particularly with wet wipes. Quite often, you’ll find the buildup of a wet wipe takes a couple of days. So if you make a quick switch and choose a cheaper wipe, for the first hour or two, you probably wont notice anything but after three days, your babies skin is going red or  maybe its starting to  it takes a while a while to build up. So we do tend to push people to get the trial bundle and test it out for a good 3 or 4 days. Plus they are comfy. (inaudible) 

[00:44:19] Carla: Be handy for an adult size really. Yeah, not have to go to the bathroom, just sit in them all day. They are comfy. They are really comfy while I haven’t worn them. Sorry, George did, but I did notice a huge difference. Um, yeah,

[00:44:35] Laura: Unfortunately we only go to a size 6 in the pull up, we will work on an adult size one.

[00:44:41] Carla: Yeah. That would be good. No, honestly that sounds like I just sit here and wee myself just to be clear. I don’t. But yeah, no, that’s great Laura its been really interesting. Um, speaking to you about all this, because I do think it’s, you know, it’s, there’s not enough information out there sometimes, and it’s quite hard to understand when you don’t really know. What it means. Do you know what I mean? Cause sometimes you can be reading about it and you think what, what does that mean? And it’s just a case of kind of simplifying it all and explaining it as a whole, which I think you’ve done a really good job of doing. 

[00:45:14] Laura: Thanks and I think that’s absolutely it. I think it can feel quite overwhelming. I know a lot of parents probably start their research during their second or third trimester when they’ve got  time, but  a lot parents start to think about this, you know, three months in . And thats, it’s a  little overwhelming as it is, and actually finding the head space to break through all the academic arguments. Um, I I’m do all the research and all the various options out there and then start to use the ones that work for you. That’s a lot of extra work to be doing at a time where  really you are still focusing on how many wees have they done a day? How many ounces have they taken of this milk, have they had their nap? Actually it can be really overwhelming in the early days.

[00:46:04] Carla: It can, and another thing parents can do, which we actually did with George is we started kind of buying things from the second trimester and just buying the nappies ready, you know, and kind of stocking up almost. So then you’ve got that time and you’ve got, you know, quite a lot there. Um, ready to get you started really. 

[00:46:25] Laura: We get an awful lot of actually, grandparents will sign up for our subscription before the babies born. They have got time, and they are doing the research. A lot of, a lot of grandmothers will say  I didn’t want my daughter or daughter in law to do the pure Terri cloth because i remember how hard that was when i did it. So I’m signing her up, I have done my research, I think yours is the best one, the eco one. We’re going to give it to them as a gift. And actually it’s a brilliant grandparent gift. A lot of grandparents took on the pram or the cot. Equally, the nappy it’s a big house hold expenditure, for that’s first couple of years. Um, so yeah. If there are any loving grandparents out there its a very nice gift.

[00:47:14] Carla: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, definitely. I do see, I do see the benefits there, especially for even second time, third time parents that actually have the other, the other stuff already don’t really need anything. And it’s like, well, get me the nappies, you know, because it does add.

[00:47:30] Laura: I’ve already got a cot, I have already got plenty of clothing, grandma you want to buy me a gift? This will do. 

[00:47:37] Carla: Yeah. Nappies and wipes, please. Yeah, exactly. That’s great. Well, Laura, thank you so much for coming on today anyway, and talking to us I really appreciate it. 

[00:47:48] Laura: Thank you so much for having me its been lovely. 

[00:47:50] Carla: No problem. Thank you.

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