- Loving Yourself
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Today on the Fifty Shades of Motherhood podcast, host Carla Lett and guest Katie Mason openly talk about body confidence after having a baby. We discuss about our body after babies, we also discuss how we felt during pregnancy and what we do and have done for self-care.
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[00:02:06] Carla: Hello everybody and welcome to this week’s episode of 50 Shades of Motherhood. This week I am joined by Katie Mason, and today we’re gonna talk all about loving yourself, loving ourselves during pregnancy and beyond. We’re gonna be touching on all the different treatments we’ve had, different ones we want, and different things that you can do to make yourself feel good during pregnancy and after.
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[00:02:49] Carla: Hello everybody and welcome to this week’s episode of 50 Shades of Motherhood. Today I am joined by my lovely friend Katie, who’s becoming a regular on this, on this podcast.
[00:03:00] Carla: Everyone’s loving it so far, which is really useful. Anyway, today we’re gonna be talking about loving yourself, so, hello, Katie.
[00:03:08] Katie: Good morning. Hello. Thank you for having me again.
[00:03:11] Carla: You’re welcome, Katie. Yes, it’s brilliant. The feedback has been great, and I think because me and you get on so well, but we’re so different as well.
[00:03:18] Carla: Maybe it, you know, kind of compliments it. We compliment each other. Well, that’s
[00:03:23] Katie: The ying to the yang yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve had loads of nice feedback, which I really appreciate. Some dm’s and things like that, people asking questions. Posting their views on topics we’ve talked about. Um, so it’s really nice to hear people are enjoying our chats.
[00:03:38] Carla: Yes. Very good. So just a quick reminder to anyone, if you don’t wanna miss an episode, you can hit that subscribe button and you will be notified as soon as it goes live. And also, if you are watching on YouTube, you can do the same. And don’t forget to like and share it with your friends and family. Well, maybe not family, because they’ll be like, why are you sharing this with me?
[00:03:58] Carla: But, you know, anyway.
[00:04:00] Katie: Some choice topics there to be sharing with your dad, isn’t there? ?
[00:04:03] Carla: Exactly. So Katie, first of all, I’m gonna ask you a question this morning. Yes. Why are you in your pyjamas?
[00:04:10] Katie: Well, obviously you know me. I wouldn’t normally be on here in my PJs. I’ve actually had to put a pair of socks on just to keep my feet warm whilst we’re record.
[00:04:19] Katie: It’s because one, it’s Sunday. We’ve had to shift the day that we’re, um, recording on. But I don’t usually, uh, have my pyjamas on at this time, on a Sunday, I’ve been doing sleep training with Clay. So last night was our first night. We’ve, um, we’ve hired a sleep consultant, um, Clay’s five months now. And, um, I decided enough was enough.
[00:04:43] Katie: I mean, bless him he’s so placid. Um, but I’ve got into the rut because I was breastfeeding of, he wakes up, I feed him, he goes back down. Um, he’s not massively fussing in between, but it’s broken, consistent sleep. So we thought time to move him into his cot soon, let’s get the proper advice so that I feel confident in doing it.
[00:05:04] Katie: So yeah, last night was night one. and uh, yeah, it was a very broken night’s sleep, so I’ve just kind of got myself together this morning. Didn’t have time to put clothes on, so this is where we’re at.
[00:05:15] Carla: That, see coming on here in your pyjama’s would be something I do cause I am always in my pyjama’s and it doesn’t bother me.
[00:05:22] Carla: But actually I got dressed today because it’s Sunday and we’re gonna go for a walk later. Well actually made an effort today. It might be Nooky night tonight, be that. So you know, hey, , it might be no. Uh, yeah, so there we go.
[00:05:36] Katie: Warming up to it.
[00:05:37] Carla: Yeah, that’s it. That’s why I’ve got my lippy on , you know.
[00:05:40] Carla: Anyhow, so Katie, we will go a bit more into sleep deprivation and lack of sleep. I think maybe in the next episode because it’s something that I’m struggling a little bit with at the moment as well. So you would like to.
[00:05:53] Katie: Yeah, it’s a huge thing, isn’t it? And as we’ve talked about in the health and nutrition, um, episode, sleep impacts everything, doesn’t it?
[00:06:02] Katie: You can’t be like, on form without sleep. So yes. Um, if I say anything today that doesn’t make sense, start slurring my words. You know?
[00:06:11] Carla: Just, she’s not drunk people. She’s not drunk .
[00:06:12] Katie: Randomly staring off into space when you’re talking to me. You know why.
[00:06:16] Carla: Yes. No, that makes sense. That makes sense. So, so we’re gonna talk today about loving yourself, because to me I think it’s something that’s really, really important, especially after having a baby.
[00:06:26] Carla: Um, because it’s so easy to kind of criticise yourself, but you’ve just carried a baby for all that time. You’ve made a beautiful baby, but then some people are just so harsh on themselves afterwards. I think it’s important to address this because I do it to myself and I just think. You know, learn to love ourselves.
[00:06:43] Carla: Or like we said in the previous episode, there are things that you can do if you don’t feel like yourself at the moment.
[00:06:51] Katie: Love it. Or leave it. Yes. So we either enjoy, you know, embrace or if there’s something that I think you mentioned at the end of the last one, if we really can’t live with it and it’s affecting us on a day to where do we turn and what do we do and what are those key things that affect lots of ladies after they’ve had a baby.
[00:07:07] Carla: Yeah, definitely. So, so during pregnancy, obviously this day and age, a lot of people, especially our age, Katie, uh, are used to having Botox and things like that. And obviously during pregnancy you can’t have that, can you?
[00:07:20] Katie: Um, yeah, it’s a funny one, isn’t it?
[00:07:22] Carla: Yeah. So you start to kind of accept, obviously you accept it, you’re bringing a baby into the world, but it is something you know, you can feel a bit insecure about. I know I did during pregnancy, all these lines and wrinkles appearing that I’d never had before. So
[00:07:36] Katie: I know it’s, it’s like the aging process sped up, isn’t it? Because we’ve been like, oh, obviously for anyone who doesn’t have Botox or hasn’t had it, um, it’s a personal choice, but it does prevent you from getting lines and looking tired and things like that.
[00:07:53] Katie: Botox and a number of other treatments that are out there, there’s all sorts out there, isn’t there? We live in a society where you can do it on your lunch break with no downtime. So lots of ladies will be able to relate. Um, not saying that that is what you should do, but in our case, I think within, like our area where we live, our friendship group, our age bracket, it is very commonplace, isn’t it?
[00:08:14] Carla: It is. And also, I mean, I’m fairly new to the Botox, um, world actually, because every time I mentioned it to my mum, she was like, don’t you dare, don’t you dare. And I was like, oh my God. Like, it’s something that like, you know, I should not do. And then it’s only in these last couple of years that I’ve thought, oh, I am gonna do it.
[00:08:33] Carla: And you know, I have felt fresher for it. Um, but at first I was actually terrified of getting it because you hear all these horror stories and things like that, and obviously before you go anywhere it’s really important to check the reviews, check any certifi cert, certificate, cert certification.
[00:08:49] Katie: Yeah. You wanna see that the person’s qualified, that they’ve got the right insurance and all of that, and that they’re in a good clinical environment, not in somebody’s back room. Ideally.
[00:08:58] Carla: Definitely. And, and obviously it’s not for everybody, so I understand that as well. Cause a couple of years ago I was like, oh no, I’m not gonna do it.
[00:09:05] Carla: But, but things change and you change your mind about things and Yeah. I, I just changed my mind, um, about that.
[00:09:11] Katie: Yeah. That’s everyone’s prerogative, isn’t it? And when you don’t have lines or feel tired or look tired, then you’re not gonna care. Are you gonna think, oh, what load of nonsense? Later on in life you might revisit your opinion and think differently, which is allowed.
[00:09:26] Carla: Yeah, you’re allowed to change your mind. So, so during pregnancy, I mean, you, you like your Botox and, and things like that. Sorry, not Yeah, yeah, you do.
[00:09:35] Katie: Well, just, just to clarify to everyone, I am 41, so, you know, I think I, I held, I didn’t do it when I was like, 20. And you know, it wasn’t available when I was 20.
[00:09:45] Katie: Um, but I had my son at Autoro when I was 27, about to have my 28th birthday. Obviously went through all that sleep deprivation, et cetera. And just as I got to my 30th birthday was when it became popular. Um, people were having it before and I was saying, I remember saying to one of my friends back then, like, you look really fresh.
[00:10:04] Katie: You, uh, what, what have you done differently? And she lied to me and said she’d been for a facial, one of my best friends at the time. And, um, I remember thinking, oh God, what’s this facial? You know, I need to know about it. And I didn’t have a clue what Botox was, but over the course of like a year or so, it all came out in the wash. That that’s what, yeah, I think that’s what people were doing.
[00:10:22] Carla: I think at first people were like, pretending that they didn’t have it. It’s like this, this shameful thing. Really. Like, oh no, I’m just naturally this, this beautiful and pure and no lines or anything. And I’m 57, you know,
[00:10:34] Katie: I’ve been drinking my three litres of water a day and going for walks with the fresh air.
[00:10:38] Carla: And collagen as well. Collagen. That is a new one actually, that I do wanna talk about. I’m quite interested around that subject.
[00:10:44] Katie: Yes. Well that’s another. Thing that I’ve relied upon since I was 30, actually collagen. So yeah, that was a good.
[00:10:49] Carla: Oh, wow. Right. Ok. So, so Katie, how, so obviously we were really excited to get pregnant, weren’t we?
[00:10:55] Carla: So, so when it comes to the point of you’re pregnant and you’re due to get your Botox, is there anything that you found that you could do to kind of make you feel a bit more confident during that time?
[00:11:07] Katie: Um, yeah. Well I think, um, prior to being pregnant, obviously I’d had treatments like that and they do last a little while so you don’t immediately, uh, I mean the first thing you think is, oh God, is it safe that I had Botox just before I fell pregnant?
[00:11:22] Katie: You know, that is a worry on your mind cause you don’t want anything going wrong with the pregnancy. That’s first and foremost on your mind. Um, but it takes a while to wear off. So you’ve got a little bit of time to think about it. And I also think while whilst you’re pregnant, did you not find that. You draw more water into you, obviously you’re carrying more water, so everything looks a bit plumper and a bit fresher, doesn’t it?
[00:11:42] Carla: Yeah. Yeah it does actually. The cheeks everything.
[00:11:46] Katie: Yeah. They say the pregnancy glow, don’t they? But you’re literally like, you’ve got these little puffy cheeks and pouty lips and they just come, it just comes with water retention .
[00:11:55] Carla: Yeah, it does. Yeah.
[00:11:55] Katie: The hormones. So I think it’s not that a big deal at the start of your pregnancy. Um, obviously towards the end of your pregnancy, you start to see things wearing off that you had over the previous years and start to feel a bit tired and think, oh, I, I think at that point you kind of focus on the finish line anyway with your pregnancy and thinking, don’t worry, I can do it all when I finish being pregnant. Um, but in my case, I then decided to breastfeed, which you, you’re not, you’re not accounting for that. When you’re thinking at the end of nine months, I can go back to all my treatments, it goes on. So I did start to look for alternatives like about a, a, a month or two before the end of my pregnancy.
[00:12:36] Katie: And I think the best thing that I did really was invest in my skincare more because I thought, well, I would, I would normally have spent money on Botox by this point. So I treat myself to a really nice, expensive moisturiser. I researched what products you could have. I’m no expert, by the way, on this.
[00:12:57] Katie: There’s people out there who know a lot more than me, but what could you have? Um, That you could sort of start using in addition to your normal skincare routine. And I found vitamin C serums, which basically really, they really do hydrate and rejuvenate your skin. Um, so I’ve got a really nice quality vitamin C serum. Um, and also eye creams. I’ve never used eye creams, have you?
[00:13:21] Carla: No, no, I haven’t. I think I’ve used them if I’ve run out of moisturiser and I’ve thought my face feels really dry, I’m just gonna put it everywhere. . That’s the only time that I’ve actually used them, you know? And then little Christmas kits that you get.
[00:13:33] Katie: Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:34] Carla: It’s like, oh, I need to quickly do something. Cause my face actually feels so dry, and that’s when I’ve, I’ve used them, but not really.
[00:13:42] Katie: So, yeah. Not properly.
[00:13:43] Carla: No, I couldn’t say properly.
[00:13:44] Katie: Smeared them everywhere.
[00:13:45] Carla: Yeah. Just stuck it all over. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:48] Katie: Yeah, so I got a really nice eye cream and I remember using an eye cream like in my late twenties, early thirties and thinking what a load of nonsense that has done nothing.
[00:13:57] Katie: And it, you know, thinking, what a blag. Anyway, 10 years down the line, obviously used to having Botox and that’s prevented me getting lines around my eyes fortunately. But they started, within the pregnancy period, they did start to appear so it did show that the Botox was stopping them. Um, so I got a nice quality eye cream and I was really shocked.
[00:14:18] Katie: Like it illuminates the area, smooths, it plums out the skin. Um, and I always thought you just put it just a few dots there cuz that’s what the beauticians do. But then I read on people’s reviews, I read lots of reviews on websites before I bought, bought them cause I didn’t know what I was getting and they were putting it all on the tops, the lids everywhere.
[00:14:36] Katie: So I was like, great, just slather it all around, which is something I’d never done. So I was very hydrated in my eye area for a while.
[00:14:43] Carla: How did you find it then? Did it work for you?
[00:14:45] Katie: Yeah. Uh, so I ended up buying, um, two different ones. Um, . I got the Sunday Riley one, which was nice and illuminating, and I got the Ren one, which I use Ren products anyway because, um, I’ve got sensitive skin and they’re natural.
[00:15:01] Katie: So the Ren one was really, really good. I was surprised at that. So when I put it on, um, I remember for the first few weeks actually really thinking, wow, my eyes look different. I, I was surprised. Um, and then I think it just gets part of your skincare routine and you just expect it. So you kind of get used to.
[00:15:18] Carla: Yeah, you do. That’s with a lot of things. It’s like, I like tropic actually. I’ve always liked it, but sometimes I have a bit of a change because your skin does feel like it just is, becomes normal, doesn’t it?
[00:15:29] Katie: Yeah, definitely.
[00:15:30] Carla: Um, so yeah, when I first used used Tropic, I found that, oh my God, my skin was great, but then also I was using three steps every morning, every night. And to be honest, I’m one of these where face wipe, just anything, and I’ve just kind of take it off. I know. Yeah. It’s, it’s terrible.
[00:15:46] Katie: No, I, I can’t do it. My, my skin just goes so dry and I really have to have a proper routine. So I’ve said, you know, I spent my wages when I was 12 in boots on products, so Yeah.
[00:15:57] Carla: Yeah. See, you are the best person to talk to. You see, because, because with the tropic and stuff, I was like, wow. My skin and everything. And, and it’s only because really I was taking care of my skin a lot better than what I take care of it normally. Yeah, I imagine That’s a lot of the reason why but.
[00:16:12] Katie: It’s gonna help isn’t it?
[00:16:14] Carla: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
[00:16:15] Katie: I’ve always. I’ve always enjoyed a nice facial. And, uh, at what really stumped me was I was ringing around all these places that I would normally go for treatments. And I was like, which, which facial can you have when you’re pregnancy? And they were like, oh, none.
[00:16:28] Katie: No, none. A lot of people are just covering the back. They don’t wanna touch pregnant women, do they? But there are certain products, uh, like vitamin A’s, for example, that have to be avoided. Anyway, there was a, a holistic lady who I used to go to for massages and um, she’s on maternity leave. That’s why I say used to I’ll, I’ll go to her again when she’s back.
[00:16:50] Katie: Um, but she did a facial and I said, can you have it whilst pregnant? She was like, yes. And it was so, it was just the most relaxing, perfect experience. When you’re pregnant and tired, I’d lie down. I’d be snoring within five seconds.
[00:17:05] Carla: Oh wow.
[00:17:06] Katie: And , she’d massage my face, put a peel mask on. She had this little tool that cleared out. your pores and did a little bit of a vibration thing. It was really nice. So there are people out there who do do facials for pregnancy. You’ve just got to sift them out.
[00:17:21] Carla: Yeah, that’s, that’s useful. That’s because that, that is something when everyone, all your friends are going out and they’ve had a drink or whatever, and there’s a lot of things you do feel like you miss out on a little bit during pregnancy. So to treat yourself with a bit of self-care is really good. Did you go for any pregnancy massages or anything?
[00:17:38] Katie: I did, yes. I had some pregnancy massages. Um, as, to be honest, the lady who did my facial, she used to massage all my shoulders and my traps and everything and my arms whilst I. You know, lying there with the face mask on and those, you, you, your upper body up here is what starts to ache, isn’t it?
[00:17:57] Katie: When you’re pregnant because the weight of your belly and your increasing bust volume pulls you forward. The midsection of your back starts to weaken cause of your new posture and ultimately you start to use this top part of your body too much, your shoulders and your traps. So a really deep massage on that area was so nice.
[00:18:16] Katie: I mean, you could get your partner to do it if they’ve got the patience. It is, it is. Just, and my feet as well. I’ve never enjoyed a foot massage, but when I was pregnant Wow, that was amazing.
[00:18:26] Carla: Oh, I don’t know if I could do that. I’m paranoid of my feet, you know.
[00:18:29] Katie: Really?
[00:18:29] Carla: Oh, I just get, I just, I don’t know what it is with them, but I get embarrassed about it.
[00:18:34] Katie: Everybody has a thing, don’t they?
[00:18:36] Carla: Yeah.
[00:18:37] Katie: Toes.
[00:18:37] Carla: It’s even when I take my toes out to get them painted, I’m like, I’m so sorry about these, so sorry about these.
[00:18:42] Katie: Have you got, got like weird toes or what? Longer. That shouldn’t be so long or something.
[00:18:47] Carla: I haven’t, I haven’t, but , I think it’s, they get dry so easy and I know I should moisturise them, but you know, if I was gonna moisturise anything, obviously I’m gonna go for my face. I should do my feet as well, . But I’m always so cold when I get out the shower and stuff that I just wanna get my clothes on as quick as possible, my socks on and just get cozy.
[00:19:05] Katie: Is it the crack, is it cracked heels? Do you mean by dry?
[00:19:07] Carla: Yeah, like dry, corns and all that. But then I discovered like, I mean I’ve only been around 36 years, but I discovered a chiropodist. I actually, well, I never knew that they come and they just cut that hard skin off. So I, it’s, it’s gone. The first time, in fact, I think it was during pregnancy, actually had it, and I felt like I was walking on new feet. I felt like honestly, she did it and I just, I, it was like walking on a cloud for about a few days.
[00:19:36] Carla: Yeah. And it came in, I’d say a few weeks and then it came back, but she was like, make sure you moisturise anyway, and went back to her. I was like, could you do it again? Did you moisturise, eh? Yeah. Yeah, I did. I didn’t.
[00:19:47] Katie: Totally lying nose growing. I shouldn’t say no.
[00:19:50] Carla: Exactly. But that was a nice little kind of, treat, to be honest.
[00:19:54] Katie: Yeah, I, I generally just do go for a repeat appointment because I get the, I’ve got overpronation on my feet, so I can’t avoid getting that hard skin. So I’ve always gone to a chiropodist to have it removed.
[00:20:06] Carla: Oh, is that how you say it? Chiropodist? Yeah. Not, Chiropodist?
[00:20:09] Katie: I think it’s, no, no. It’s one of those words, people say it both ways.
[00:20:13] Katie: Oh, I’ve said chiropodist, so don’t quote me on how it should actually be said. Oh, I say chiropodist. You say chiropodist, you know?
[00:20:19] Carla: Yeah, . Yeah. Right. That’s good. Yeah. So, so obviously then during the pregnancy, so you found like different facials and things like that. Is there anything else that you think that you could do to make yourself feel a bit more glowy during pregnancy?
[00:20:34] Katie: So yeah, whilst, whilst you’re pregnant, you are very limited to what all those treatments are pretty, I did research it and as I say, there might be someone out there who knows more than me, but I, I didn’t find any treatments that you can go for whilst pregnant. So you’re just down to finding someone to do a nice facial and getting a good skincare routine on the go.
[00:20:53] Katie: Also, making sure you do, we go back to this all the time, but you vitamins and supplements, making sure that you’re at your optimum health. And I did take a type one and three collagen supplement during pregnancy. Now, just to make a note, you, you, there’s two types of collagen. Um, two collagen sources, either marine collagen, which comes from fish, things in the sea, or bovine collagen, which comes from bones, basically not human bones, animal bones.
[00:21:21] Katie: I’m a vegetarian and I do have to hold my hands up. I take bovine collagen, um, because that’s safe. That was safe during pregnancy, safe during breastfeeding. Um, type two collagen is what you hear people talk about when they’re talking about joints, bones, cartilage, that kind of thing. Type one and three, collagen deals with skin, hair, all that sort of renewal.
[00:21:44] Katie: So, um, past the age of 30, you don’t produce your own collagen anymore. It, it kind of whittles out. . Um, so your collagen layers are a lot. Uh, your collagen stores should I say, start to deplete. Um, and when I was 30, I read this and started taking a collagen supplement, and I’ve done that ever since for the last 11 years.
[00:22:03] Katie: It actually goes in with my green drink, the green drink that I always talk about.
[00:22:07] Carla: Oh, greens one? Yeah.
[00:22:08] Katie: Yeah. Every day. Yeah. So every day I have a scoop of my greens powder, a scoop of collagen. And I also use a thing called, I can’t pronounce it again cause I read things and I dunno how they’re said. Baobab powder, b o a b, uh, bow bab, b o a, b a b I think Baobab powder, which is a fruit from Africa.
[00:22:29] Katie: It’s a super fruit and it’s really potent in vitamin C. And obviously vitamin C as we’ve mentioned earlier, you can buy serums. It’s really good for the skin. So I think the combination of collagen, the vitamin high dose vitamin C and all the other nutrients in the greens powder. Just make sure that, you know, gives your, gives your skin a nice glow as well when you’ve got all them nutrients.
[00:22:50] Carla: That’s good. You know, with the vitamin C powder, do you also take your vitamin C vitamin?
[00:22:56] Katie: Yes. I take both. I take both. Because as I said to you earlier, you need vitamin C to absorb your other vitamins. You also need vitamin C for your immunity, for your immune system to, to prevent illness or fight illness.
[00:23:11] Katie: Um, and anything that your body doesn’t need, it will excrete up to a level. Now bodybuilders for example, when they go to do a competition, they will take a very high dose of vitamin C over a number of weeks in order to drop the water from the system because it’s a diuretic. Um, so you can take really high volumes of vitamin C before it’s unsafe.
[00:23:35] Katie: Like I’m talking, you know, you could take 6,000 milligram, not recommending, go out and do it cause it’s not necessary. But you could take 6,000 milligrams a day and be fine. So, um, the vitamin C tablet that I take is 1000 milligrams. There’s probably similar amount in a scoop of the Baobab powder and there’ll be a bit in my multivitamin as well.
[00:23:54] Katie: And then sometimes in the afternoon I’ll have a boroca as well, which has got vitamin C. And it also I think 500 milligrams. So you add it up over the course of the day, it’s quite a lot, but it’s not, it’s, it’s good for you, you know, it’s, it’s fighting all the, um, immune things that you need to, to do. And also it’s helping you absorb every other vitamin in your food and uh, right, other supplements.
[00:24:18] Carla: Very, very useful information there, Katie yes.
[00:24:20] Katie: Yes. Don’t skip your vitamin C.
[00:24:22] Carla: No. Should um, pregnant people speak to their GP before kind of committing to taking these or, you know?
[00:24:30] Katie: Definitely, definitely because, um, it, it will say on the back of a packet if something is suitable during pregnancy. Um, , and obviously you can do lots of research on the internet.
[00:24:44] Katie: There’s always loads of articles out there, but there can be conflicting information, can’t there? So for your own peace of mind, I would say approach your GP or your midwife and just say, I’m going to take this. Is that okay? Yeah. Um, just for your own peace of mind really. Um, but yeah, the, there’s certain things you can’t take, which we’ve discussed before and there are plenty of things that you can, uh, but you’re normally safe if you go for something that is advertised as a prenatal supplement that, or safe for pregnancy, that’s normally, you know, you, you, you covered then, aren’t you?
[00:25:17] Carla: Yeah, definitely always worth checking, but that, that is really useful information. So, so Katie then, like obviously you decided to breastfeed. I decided that I was gonna bottle feed, uh, this time around. So obviously I went and got my, my things a bit earlier. Obviously being able to feed a baby and grow a baby from your breast is just beautiful.
[00:25:39] Carla: So, yeah. You know, but, but for me personally, I decided I was gonna bottle feed and I went straight away or pretty much straight away. Not from the hospital. May I?
[00:25:48] Katie: Yeah, yeah. The week, the week after.
[00:25:50] Carla: The week after. I booked Botox in. And I also, um, did my microblading as well again because I was due, um,
[00:25:59] Katie: on your eyebrows.
[00:26:00] Carla: Yeah, I was due, I didn’t do it myself. Um, by the way, might look like it today cause I’m drawing a few bits on, but no, um.
[00:26:08] Katie: I can’t wait. I need mine redoing and everything else. I’m still waiting.
[00:26:12] Carla: Can you not get micro blade in then during pregnancy?
[00:26:15] Katie: What it is, I did inquire actually, cuz my friend does it and it’s not. The microblading, it’s the numbing cream that they use. . She said only a small percentage of it actually absorbs into your skin. But you’ve got to be on the safe side, haven’t you? Yeah. Um, but I actually heard when I was pregnant that what you can do is that, now this isn’t correct by the way, but I’m gonna tell you cuz it’s something people will hear, is that you can pump and dump, which basically means that you can go for your Botox.
[00:26:45] Katie: So you can just pump your breast milk out for the next 24 hours and throw it away and that you’re okay to go ahead. So what I did was, based on that rumour, I booked a consultation whilst I was pregnant for my Botox. Like, um, I think it was like six, I thought six weeks after my C-section. So I had the appointment in, I went there and um, I actually went with a friend and.
[00:27:11] Katie: I was like, oh, brilliant, I can go for Botox on this date. And my friend said, oh, I’ll come, I’ll have it as well. So we booked in with somebody and I got there. My friend got on the chair, she had hers. And then, um, the lady said to me, right, just checking cause I had Clay with me in his, in his car seat, rocking him to sleep.
[00:27:26] Katie: She went, just check in if you, you’re not breastfeeding, are you? And I said, oh yeah, I’m breastfeeding, but I’m gonna pump and dump. And she just went, no. She said, I know people say that. She said, but I’m not comfortable with it and I don’t advise it. Nobody’s done any research to say whether it goes into breast milk or not.
[00:27:42] Katie: So there will be loads of women out there who have pumped and dumped, and I’m not judging, but I then thought to myself, is it that important to do it now whilst I’m breastfeeding or can wait? Um, and I just thought, no, I’d rather breastfeed, so I’ll wait. You know, my, my baby was well established on the boob. That was his comfort and his nutrition, his, so I just thought, uh, you know, at that point, , that’s when, okay, that’s me being a bit vain. Hang on. However, if I’d been bottle feeding, believe me, I’d have been there for it.
[00:28:14] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. No, I just felt like I needed a bit of a freshen. A bit of a freshen up really. After, yeah, after having Olivia. So that’s what I decided to do.
[00:28:22] Katie: And do you know, do you know what as well? I’ve breastfed for five months. I’m just weaned. I’ve nearly weaned Clay onto a bottle now as part of, um, getting him a bit more independent to sleep and stuff like that. And, um, I actually found that when I really started to look a bit haggard and not myself, was about three months into breastfeeding.
[00:28:45] Katie: So I think for the pregnancy period, as much as you feel it, you do, you get away with it. You know, you’ve got all that extra water plumping your face out, and it takes a bit of time for it to come away afterwards. And then, bring breastfeeding into the mix. Obviously the nutrients are going to the baby, getting more sleepless nights.
[00:29:04] Katie: That’s one thing I do envy about bottle feeding is I think you get that routine so much faster, don’t you? And, and the sleep, and then it hits, it hits sort of three months just around the Christmas mark, and that’s when I started to feel like I looked really tired, started getting bags under my eyes and thinking, oh God, , I need to taper this off.
[00:29:24] Carla: Do you think it’s, as the weight’s coming off as well from the pregnancy that you feel like a bit more kind of, cause when you are carrying a bit more weight, you are a bit more like, kind of like you said,
[00:29:35] Katie: Fuller.
[00:29:36] Carla: Fuller Yeah.
[00:29:37] Katie: Glowier
[00:29:38] Carla: yeah, glowier. Yeah.
[00:29:39] Katie: Plum. Everything’s plumped out, isn’t it?
[00:29:41] Carla: I wanna say the word plump.
[00:29:43] Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. .
[00:29:44] Carla: Um, but yeah, that’s what I felt like, like at first for a while, you know? Um,
[00:29:49] Katie: well, yeah, and as, as we said in a previous episode, as you lose weight, you lose water, don’t you? So all that starts to go away. And as you lose water, everything looks a bit drier, doesn’t it? Yeah. Your skin looks a bit drier and that’s when tiredness and all that starts to be bit more apparent.
[00:30:05] Katie: One thing I did do, I do get a little bit of filler in my lips, um, and uh, normally I’ve not had it now for two years, but I’d had, uh, lip blush. Have you heard of lip blush?
[00:30:16] Carla: I’ve heard of that and I really want it, but I’m terrified, it sounds amazing.
[00:30:20] Katie: No it’s great. I’d had it about, oh God, when did I have it? Maybe two or three months before I got pregnant. So it, the, they use, um, pigment to outline your lips and then you can have a colour, but you can have very, very natural looking colour. And what it does, it just makes your lips pop a little bit and it just heightens the border. You know, you can see the shape of your lips better.
[00:30:46] Katie: And I’d had that, and I do think that had I not had that, I probably would’ve been thinking, oh, my lips have gone little and I’d have been feeling sorry for myself there, but, um, no, it does, it does. I think that was the saving grace. I think I didn’t miss my lip filler because of that.
[00:31:03] Carla: How, um, how. How long does that last, that blush thing?
[00:31:08] Katie: I think, I think it’s, I think it’s two years. I don’t feel like I need a top up yet, so I think by maybe November it’ll have been two years coming up.
[00:31:17] Carla: Mm-hmm. So, oh, that was good.
[00:31:19] Katie: It is a long-lasting thing. Um, it’s like having your micro blade and I would say same sort of thing.
[00:31:26] Carla: Oh, I’m, a right baby with that.
[00:31:29] Katie: They put numbing cream on. They numb your lips first and you just like, it just stings a bit.
[00:31:34] Carla: Do they go dry? Do they like your lips Go dry?
[00:31:38] Katie: Yeah. You have to put like a Vaseline type, you know, ointment thing on all the time for I think a week afterwards. You know, just cause, they don’t scab off, but you know, they do, they crisp up a little bit.
[00:31:51] Carla: Yeah. Mm-hmm. nice. No, no. In your morning coffee.
[00:31:55] Katie: Crispy lips is what I’ve always been after.
[00:31:58] Carla: Scabs in your morning coffee .
[00:32:00] Katie: Yeah. But that, that was the, that was a good treatment. Um, and then post-pregnancy, a few more doors open. I know. Um, the, uh, a local salon tours I went to and had, um, it’s called A Cool Lift. And Cool lift is, um, Collagen.
[00:32:22] Katie: Now, again, I’ve not, I I just go, yeah, do it. You know, I’m not one of these, I don’t read the small, like the, in detail what it is, but .
[00:32:29] Carla: So make sure you read that if you’re listening to it.
[00:32:31] Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it is fine. It’s definitely fine for post-pregnancy whilst breastfeeding. Um, and, and, um, it’s, it’s like a, a 15 minute treatment. You go in and out and they put this little, it’s like a machine over your face. Um, a, a beauty therapist does it, uh, or a, a nurse and, um, it, it’s basically pushing loads of collagen into your skin and high hyaluronic acid. I can never say that in a similar way that fillers would, but it’s like, on the surface all over and you come out and your face looks so much tighter and more tort and um, that was, I did a course of six before Christmas because I knew I was breastfeeding and I wouldn’t be able to have anything before Christmas.
[00:33:16] Katie: And I did feel a lot fresher in the face, especially like the day after the treatment and the day after that. So good one to bear in mind, it’s called a cool lift if you are breastfeeding and you want to prolong not having anything for a bit longer, or if you don’t want Botox and you are adamant that’s not what you want.
[00:33:33] Carla: This could be another alternative that people could do, isn’t it?
[00:33:37] Katie: Something to try. Yeah. Yeah. I do think like the permanence of, um, Botox and fillers, obviously, you know, it does last more than these other treatments, but it was a good thing to have in the interim and I’m glad I tried it. It wasn’t a waste of money, so yeah, I was pleased with that one.
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[00:34:30] Carla: So Katie, so we’re talking a bit further down the line. Well, I say further down the line, our bodies change a lot during pregnancy and after, and you don’t know really what you left with at the end until you get to that end part. Do you? You dunno. Are your boobs gonna go back to normal? How’s that scar gonna look? You know, all of that side of things.
[00:34:50] Katie: Yeah, exactly. And I’m not there yet because I’m still in the process. Finishing the breastfeeding. My boobs are gonna shrivel up, aren’t they? Over the next few weeks?
[00:34:58] Carla: Mm-hmm. . Well, I dunno. They might not, they might not.
[00:35:01] Katie: No they will.
[00:35:02] Carla: A lot of people say, um, that, that, do they kind of, because I’ve never breastfed and at first, I mean, I’m touching my boobs here. These are implants actually. These, um, so. In my first pregnancy with George, I’ve always had no boobs. Like literally they were like little bee stings and that’s how I’ve always, I’ve always been. So I used to have to wear like three bras on top of each other on a night out.
[00:35:26] Katie: Chicken, chicken fillets. Do you remember chicken fillets? Yeah.
[00:35:29] Carla: You know, I’d always start a night out with my chicken fillets, always trying to act, you know, all cool and everything. Next minute. You know, by the time I’ve had a few drinks, it stuck to a wall in the club at one point I had to fo peal that off cause I’d just been an idiot.
[00:35:42] Katie: Or in the bottom of your handbag.
[00:35:44] Carla: Oh, I was walking on it once. I was actually thinking, what the hell’s that on my foot. And I’d stood on my own chicken fillet.
[00:35:50] Katie: What it speared through with your high heel?
[00:35:53] Carla: I dunno what Yeah, well it it, anyway, this guy’s like trying to pick up my boob that’s on the floor. I was like, right, okay. This is getting ridiculous.
[00:36:00] Katie: Yeah. Thanks for that.
[00:36:01] Carla: So I’ve always kind of wanted a boob job, but I’m a bit of a wuss with surgery and things like that. Yeah. Um, and, but, um, so with George, I thought this is it. My boobs are gonna grow, finally they’re gonna grow. They didn’t do you know, they did not change at all?
[00:36:17] Katie: What, during pregnancy?
[00:36:18] Carla: No. Didn’t change.
[00:36:19] Katie: Really? Did they not just?
[00:36:21] Carla: No.
[00:36:21] Katie: Even when they were really sore, did they not go big?
[00:36:24] Carla: No. Nothing Might be because he was born early, so he was born around seven months. Yeah. But they didn’t change. And yeah.
[00:36:33] Katie: It was obviously different people’s hormones must affect the boobs differently then.
[00:36:37] Carla: Yeah, they must maybe if I stop, I did actually try to breastfeed George, not breastfeed, as in I tried to get the colostrum out because he was so early. I tried, I was hooked up to all these machines. It just was not really, I was getting tiny, tiny bits and yeah, it was,
[00:36:52] Katie: Not worth the upset of doing it.
[00:36:54] Carla: When you’re a mum, your baby’s on neonatal ward, you’re going to, and from the hospital you’re not allowed to drive cause you’ve just had a C-section and I was traumatised by the whole thing. That actually I just said to myself, look, you know, I can’t, I can’t keep putting myself through this. And I decided I wasn’t gonna do it anymore because literally I was there pumping, you know that sound? I dunno if you’ll ever use one of those things.
[00:37:18] Katie: Oh, yes. Yeah. You, you do feel like a cow being milked.
[00:37:21] Carla: Yeah, I did. I did. And, and then to feel, again, I felt already like my body, body had failed George because it, he came so early and I felt like that was my fault. And then to then each time you’re trying to breastfeed, not being able to get any breast milk out hardly, I just felt like I was, it was a constant reminder.
[00:37:39] Carla: Like I just felt like a failure straight away. Yeah. And maybe that’s why I didn’t breastfeed the second time. I don’t know. It’s just never been something that I’ve really actively wanted to do. Um, yeah.
[00:37:51] Katie: Lot people, lots of people make the choice.
[00:37:53] Carla: Yeah. I don’t know why. Um, but that’s just how I felt.
[00:37:56] Katie: Yeah, I think for me, the reason why I did breastfeed was because it just happened in both cases. Um, you know, they put the baby on your skin and they just latched on, and that was it.
[00:38:08] Carla: That’s beautiful.
[00:38:09] Katie: I, I never had, I was so lucky. Never had sore boobs, never had an issue with milk supply, so I just, I mean, I say I did have sore in the fact that they were engorged and big, but my nipples weren’t, you know, and some people can’t bear pain. And, uh, that didn’t happen to me. So it just, it was easy for me. So I, I, I can’t compare to, you know, what people must go through when they really want to do it and it mustn’t work.
[00:38:35] Carla: Oh, it’s heartbreaking for people because that, that’s the thing. And that was something else that I just didn’t want. I know it sounds so rub, like weird, but I just didn’t wanna fail at something. Do you know? I didn’t wanna fail something else when I already felt a bit like a failure.
[00:38:48] Carla: So that’s, that’s it. So anyway, the boob story was, yeah, about a year after having George, I started to think, right. Okay. I’m, 30 now. And um, I wanna dress cause I was still wearing like, you know, clothes that I’d go out with, go out in when I was like a teenager, you know, that kinda, and I thought I wanna change my look a bit.
[00:39:08] Carla: I wanna be able to wear nice trousers with a nice top. But something that I was always paranoid about is I didn’t have the boobs to fill the tops, if you know what I mean. And so I decided that I wanted, um, breast surgery and I just went for it. Um, and I was really, really happy with it. Actually. I still am.
[00:39:27] Carla: Um, they’ve actually not, not dropped much at all. The, and they’re, um, an e.
[00:39:31] Katie: You’ve got great boobs. Yeah, I do want just thrown it out there. Carla has great boobs.
[00:39:36] Carla: Yeah. Oh, thank you. No . Thank you. No, I do. I’m really happy with them because they just have stayed. Exactly. And how old is George? Six. So five years I’ve had them and they’ve just kind of never given me any troubles. Stayed where they are and Yeah. Yeah. I’m happy with them. And it just means for me personally,
[00:39:53] Katie: Still facing forwards.
[00:39:54] Carla: Yeah. They’re still that way. So yeah, for me personally, um, that that’s what I decided to do. I don’t know if after 10 years I’d go, I’d do it again. I don’t know whether you have to do it again. Do you?
[00:40:06] Katie: Yeah. Well, um, When I had mine done, which again, my story was exactly the same, I had very small boobs, I breastfed, and they went even smaller. So after that I was like, right now’s the time. Did you have it in your head that you would have a boob job one day when you were younger, but you had to wait till you have children?
[00:40:26] Carla: Well, I had in my head that they were gonna grow one day because I kept saying to my mum, right when I, when I remember when I was like 21, I was like, mum, when are my boobs gonna grow? She’s like, I got mine at 24. I was like, right, okay. And then I got to 24. I was like, mum, when are my boobs gonna grow? Um, I think I was about 28. I thought okay. And then.
[00:40:44] Katie: Your mum’s just trying to make you feel better.
[00:40:46] Carla: Didn’t want me to get the boob job. So I, I was going through life thinking they’re gonna grow, they’re gonna grow at some point. And then the last time I asked her mum, when are my boobs gonna grow? When, when I was pregnant. I think that’s when I got my boobs.
[00:40:57] Carla: Okay. Anyway, then I got pregnant. Obviously still didn’t get any boobs, so I don’t think I ever thought I’d need a boob job or I just always thought I’d eventually have big boobs and they were just gonna throw, but I don’t why it sounds so silly, but my mum’s always been a bit like that. I mean, honestly, she’s
[00:41:13] Katie: She’s protecting you from feeling like you .
[00:41:16] Carla: I wasn’t allowed to shave my legs. I wasn’t allowed to shave my legs and I have got really dark hair cuz my dad’s like mixed race. Um, and um, my, my hair’s here and on my legs very dark. Yeah. So at school I remember if it rained cuz I used to say, mum, can I shave my legs yet? I mean, I must have been about 12.
[00:41:33] Carla: And she was like, no, you’re a bit young yet. If it rained, I’d be like, no, because the black heads would literally stick to my legs.
[00:41:40] Katie: Oh gosh. Oh bless you.
[00:41:40] Carla: They were just so black. I know. And I was so embarrassed about it.
[00:41:43] Katie: See I never even asked anyone things like that. I just did it.
[00:41:47] Carla: I dunno why I felt like I needed, maybe that’s what I should have done.
[00:41:50] Katie: You must have, you must have had a really, like now, you know, it must’ve just been that kind of relationship that you had with your mum. But I had an older sister, you see? And if she was doing something, I just used to think, oh, I’ll do that. Never used to think to ask anyone. I’d just get crack on.
[00:42:03] Carla: Oh yeah.
[00:42:04] Katie: I used to pinch my dad’s razor bless him. He must have gone to shave. Oh. And there would have been all my ginger like hairs in there.
[00:42:12] Carla: I love it.
[00:42:14] Katie: He’s ginger as well, but yeah. Anyway, so.
[00:42:17] Carla: He’d be like, is that mine or, yeah, , you know. Oh God no. Well, I remember.
[00:42:22] Katie: I think the are blonde mine. I’m not sure anymore. But yeah, I did do it very probably at 12 I would say.
[00:42:27] Carla: Yeah. See I was a bit of a wuss. I’ve always been a wuss really, I probably thought, oh, will it hurt anyway, you know, all of that kind of thing. So I think my mum just like wanted to keep me in this little bubble of being a little girl and with hair horrendously, hairy legs, , you know?
[00:42:43] Katie: Cheers, mum.
[00:42:44] Carla: Yeah. No, cheers, mum. Thanks for that. Um, so, so yeah, so with the boobs, I’m, I’m happy with mine. And, and luckily, you know, they have stayed as they were even though I’ve had another pregnancy since George. Yeah. But where were you on with yours?
[00:42:59] Katie: So, um, when I first had mine, I was never really a hundred percent happy with the outcome. Um, the, the way, so I had, uh, when I was younger, very wide apart boobs, so I could never really get a cleavage, do you know what I mean? I was quite athletic, like quite broad chest and back for my frame and, and I could never get cleavage. So I was the same boat. I couldn’t wear tops, I couldn’t wear strapless, um, backless dresses, all that kind of thing.
[00:43:26] Katie: I always had to have a bra with the chicken fills, et cetera. So, um, I always thought I’m gonna have a boob job after I’ve had children. I don’t know why, because in my twenties I would’ve really benefited from a great cleavage, but I waited till I was 30 anyway. Um, so I was never quite happy with the outcome, so I always kept thinking, couple of years I’ll get them replaced and I’ll get them done by a different surgeon.
[00:43:53] Katie: Um, and in the end they became a little bit more natural. So, because mine were never like yours. You know, really pert after I’d had them done, they were, they were okay. You know, they were, they were a 60% if I was to score ’em out of a hundred . Yeah. And, um, I just, I just left them and the, and the, and they kind of settled, you know, you hear people say they settle and then they looked like natural boobs.
[00:44:19] Katie: So I just thought, well, I’ll just go along with them. And then obviously I’ve had Clay and they, they’ve gone absolutely massive. And now as they go down, they’re just dropping further and further. The more they deflate, the more lower they’re getting. So I am gonna have to have them redone. Um, and that is just purely and simply because I will feel the need.
[00:44:44] Katie: I mean, let’s wait and see what they’re like. But they’re gonna, I, I’ve done it before, so I know they’re gonna get worse than this. Do you know what I mean? They’re gonna deflate and they’re gonna drop. So I’m gonna have mine redone. Cause otherwise I won’t feel good in bikinis. And I’ll start changing like how I wanna dress and I’ll, I know that I’ll start being a bit conscious about it. So, um, because mine are 11 years old anyway. They do say replace them .
[00:45:06] Carla: It’s so weirded like saying that, like my boobs are 11 years old.
[00:45:10] Katie: Yeah, they’re 11 years old. These boob.
[00:45:12] Carla: Yeah. You’re five years old. Yeah. , yeah.
[00:45:14] Katie: Yeah, only five? So yeah, my, my 11 year old boobs, uh, they do say replace them after 10.
[00:45:21] Katie: I dunno if that’s still the advice, but when I first had them in, it was, it was like the last 10 years and then get a fresh pair. I dunno. For what reason are they de, did he like degenerate inside your body?
[00:45:32] Carla: Oh don’t you will freak me out now thinking what?
[00:45:36] Katie: Yeah. No. Yeah. And, a lot of people have them removed, don’t they? After 10 years and they say, I’m just not getting any more in because decide to go without after that.
[00:45:46] Carla: Yeah. And you know what, and since I’ve had these, I am really happy with them. And everyone is different because I, we’ve got a couple of friends that have very small boobs and they look amazing. And I look at them now. And I think, wow, I love that look, I love that kind of, I don’t wanna say flat look, but that’s, you know, that kind of look its really nice.
[00:46:06] Katie: Yeah. It lends nice. It lends itself to a completely different type of wardrobe, doesn’t it? You know, little slinky tops and things like that. You can’t wear slinky tops with big boobs swinging around in them. Can you like say no bra.
[00:46:18] Carla: No, exactly. And so now I’ll look and I think, wow, they, they, their boobs look great. Um, and yeah, I’ve chose to go this way, but I, I do feel more comfortable. So it’s not that we’re saying you need to get a boob job if your boobs are, are, you know, round your waist or whatever. It’s just what you are comfortable with. If you are happy and comfortable, then great. You know, and that, that’s the main thing.
[00:46:40] Carla: I wish I wasn’t so insecure, to be honest. Sometimes I wouldn’t say I’m really insecure, but I, I do overthink things like, oh, I would like to change this. I would like to change. that
[00:46:50] Katie: Yeah. You’ve always said that you feel, feel like that you overthink certain things and I think if, if someone is an over thinker and it’s gonna be on their mind, and like I said earlier, I’m confident normally in the bikini.
[00:47:03] Katie: So that would change that for me. So that’s why I don’t want that to happen. I want to continue living my life after having a baby. Do you know? But, uh, there are some women who prefer the boobs. I’ve heard ladies say, oh, you know, I was flat. Like you, you said they were flatter chested and then they had a baby, and the boobs grew and they kept them. They just stayed afterwards.
[00:47:23] Carla: That’s good. Yeah.
[00:47:24] Katie: It’s a totally unique thing, isn’t it? We’ve got a friend who’s just had some, haven’t we? And um, she got a, the, the surgeon, this never happened when I had mine. He did all these 3D images and he did them of her boobs as they were, and of them as they will be after the surgery.
[00:47:40] Katie: So she could look around a whole body from all different angles and see how they were gonna change. And like, it’s, it’s really high tech now, isn’t it? So I think. If you are unsure, you can go for a consultation now and get loads of information and really have a good think about it before you make any decisions.
[00:47:59] Carla: Definitely. Yeah. And, and definitely look at reviews, ask people. You can email, email or message me and Katie on Instagram for where we went. Um, you know, and, and be happy to share those.
[00:48:11] Katie: Although I, I, I wasn’t happy with who I went to, so I,
[00:48:15] Carla: Well Katie might say, don’t go there. Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:17] Katie: Yeah. But at the same time, that just highlights the fact of why you should research it, doesn’t it?
[00:48:24] Carla: Did you research it?
[00:48:26] Katie: No. What happened was, one girl that I knew. Said, this place is really good. I went there for a consultation, thought the guy sounded all right, the price was in my budget and I just booked in. So that is what not to do, people. Isn’t it? I think you need to speak to at least, I think I had one of the consultation and chose between the two. But you need to speak to at least like four people I think. And you need to Google, um, you know, what people have said about ’em on the internet, not just go off what’s on their website and there before and after pictures that they’ve chosen to post. You need to find out what else is out there, don’t you?
[00:49:05] Carla: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. It makes, it makes me laugh actually. I was thinking back then when you said about, you know, when you couldn’t get a cleavage and you know, what I used to do to get a cleavage is I used to like get eyeliner. Put, like draw it down the middle loads of bronze and mix it all in like a painting, and then just to gimme a bit of definition. And it actually worked to actually make used had a cleavage.
[00:49:27] Katie: I used to do that with the bronzing powder. I bronzed my face and then I’d be like down the middle. Oh yeah, let’s try and create some shadows.
[00:49:34] Carla: Yeah, shadows. Them wonder bras though, I once bought a wonder bra. Oh my god. That gave me boobs.
[00:49:41] Katie: Yeah. I had a wonder bra. They were fantastic. Do they still exist? Wonder bras?
[00:49:45] Carla: I dunno.
[00:49:46] Katie: Probably actually cause we’ve not needed them for a while.
[00:49:49] Carla: Yeah, I know. That’s it. That’s it.
[00:49:51] Katie: There might be, there might be better. Better ones out there now as well. And we’re talking, you know, based on the fact we’ve had boob jobs, but there’ll be people who know more tricks. You know, currently than things are out there.
[00:50:02] Carla: Share them with us.
[00:50:03] Katie: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
[00:50:04] Carla: The only thing I’d say about my boobs is when I went, I knew I wanted them big, bigger, obviously couldn’t get any smaller cause they were.
[00:50:11] Katie: Big.
[00:50:12] Carla: But they were like, they were like, right, okay, so do you want this one, this implant? Which will probably make you, um, a double D, but it could make you a C Or do you want this one where you’ll definitely be at least a double D, but it might make you an E. So obviously I thought, well, if I’m doing this, I’m doing it. You know, so I went from the bigger . But in hindsight now, I think it is a bit of a pain going to the local shops to try and find a bra, because E is what I ended up and it is, yeah, hard work to try and find a bra that fits.
[00:50:39] Carla: Any bikinis I buy from River Island or wherever, my nipple is always sticking out. I took Olivia swimming the other day. I took a nice little selfie to send to Danny, sent it to him. My, my nipple’s coming out like you can full on, see my nipple. I know.
[00:50:53] Katie: Did you take the picture at the end. And then it dawned on you, that’s how it had been the whole session?
[00:50:59] Carla: No, I actually took it in the beginning, so I knew. But the problem is when you swim and you’re holding a baby, you know, yeah, my nipples are above the water, but they were out anyway.
[00:51:08] Katie: That’s when it starts to feel inappropriate, isn’t it? When you’re in the pool with your baby and you think have my waps been out throughout?
[00:51:14] Carla: I know, I know. Exactly. So, so Katie, just to finish off then, um, just a little bit about the C-section scar, which we just done last time. Yes. Now there’s a few things that you can do, um, with that. And I actually went to a lovely lady who’s local to do a bit of massage on my scar, which was brilliant. Um, yes.
[00:51:34] Carla: But the, the only thing that kind of stopped me going and continuing with that was really, um, it was every two weeks and just time. Time and childcare and things like that. And I, I, and I thought, well, am I that bothered about it? I was a little bit, but am I that bothered about it where I think it was around 40 pound each session. Every two weeks. Yeah. And I thought, Hmm. I don’t know if it bothers me that much.
[00:51:56] Katie: Well, they do say massage is really good, and obviously you can do the massage yourself at home as part of your routine to break down the buildup of scar tissue. Yeah. Um, but I’ve been doing a few things. I’ve been to a postnatal physio, which is great because it is teaching you about your pelvic floor, which is another thing obviously that you have to work on after having a baby.
[00:52:17] Katie: Uh, and she does fascial tissue release, which is, it sounds brutal, but it’s a metal tool, like a blunt metal tool. And she scrapes the scar area and like rubs up and down, goes all the way along and it hurts a little bit at the time. And basically that is breaking down, you know, the b, you don’t want that buildup of the scar tissue behind, cause that’s when you get that solid ridge that you can’t get rid of in the future. But they do say at any point it’s worth working on a scar if it bothers you because you can improve it even if it’s quite far down the line. So, I don’t think you, you don’t, obviously it’s better if you do it straight away, but I don’t think you have to.
[00:52:58] Carla: No.
[00:52:59] Katie: So the, the physio was great because she looked at, um, my abdominal separation. She was telling me, you know, and obviously I’ve done, um, postnatal personal training, so no avoid and what not to avoid, but I know lots of ladies don’t, and she gave me like core restore exercises to get my abdominal separation down to start bringing my abs back together. She, she did the treatment on my scar and she just kept reminding me about little things like, you know, my, my pelvic floor. Um, interestingly, just to diversify, there’s more to say about the c-section scar, but, um, you can get, if you, if you can’t be bothered with the pelvic floor exercises, there are keel trainers now, which are like tools that you put up there to strengthen your, your pelvic floor
[00:53:47] Carla: Oh, do they do anything else as well? Do they ever have any other added kind of benefits?
[00:53:53] Katie: I don’t know. I haven’t, I haven’t tried. I doubt it. I doubt it, but, um, The, you know, the breast pump brand lv, I got an LV breast pump. They do one, and I’m, I’ve, I’ve ordered one actually, so I can let you know how it goes because apparently I, years ago when I had my son, my sister told me that in France you get advised to buy a keel trainer straight away after giving birth and to use it.
[00:54:19] Katie: And it’s only really in the UK where they tell you to do it manually yourself. Um, and pelvic floor exercises do work, um, as long as you’ve not got severe damage. But I mean, how many people really do religiously stick to them for a long time after they’ve had a baby?
[00:54:35] Carla: No. My friend, my friend actually told me a really god story about a woman at her work. I think it was at her work, but basically she trained her mind that every time she wo walked through a doorway she did. Yeah, she did it. Yeah. So subconsciously she’d like kept doing it and it became a habit. Yeah. I mean, its a good idea.
[00:54:53] Katie: Well, this is this. It is, and this is, I always say this to my clients about glute activation. That’s learning how to use your glute muscles so you can grow a bottom. Um, and standing in queues. Best time to just think about squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze.
[00:55:08] Carla: Can anyone see you squeeze in though? Can anyone see what you’re doing?
[00:55:11] Katie: What your bum flexing up and down?
[00:55:12] Carla: Yeah.
[00:55:12] Katie: I suppose it depends what you are wearing.
[00:55:14] Carla: Oh yeah. I’m a legging. Legging girl. So they might think, what is she doing? Is she trying to get off in this queue or something? Yeah. You know, that’s, that’s the thing. That’s a worry.
[00:55:24] Katie: To be fair, I hadn’t really considered that and I’ve definitely squeezed my glutes in queues lots of times. So Yeah, obviously.
[00:55:31] Carla: Talk of the town. Talk of the town.
[00:55:33] Katie: Yeah. Very weird. But yeah, doing it in that situation or. , you know, when you’re lying down in bed, I’ll just do a quick 10, you know, that kind of thing. It’s association, mind association, isn’t it? So, yeah, it is a great way to do it. But yes, do do your pelvic floor because that’s one thing after having a baby that you can do without and that’s the, um, leaky, you know, jumping on the trampoline and everything, leaks.
[00:55:58] Katie: But if that does happen and it’s bothering you just to make sure people know you can go to the doctors about that. Don’t, don’t just live with it.
[00:56:05] Carla: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean that’s not something I’ve found that I had really, and I didn’t know whether that was cause I had c-sections. Is that why?
[00:56:12] Katie: I think you can get a leaky bladder from a C-section, just, you know, if from the weight of the baby during pregnancy, but it’s a lot more common if you’ve had a vaginal birth. A lot more common, especially if you’ve had trauma down there.
[00:56:28] Carla: Oh God. And yeah.
[00:56:30] Katie: Yeah. Which, I mean, it is, isn’t it? It is trauma’s down there.
[00:56:33] Carla: A baby coming out of your vagina is definitely dramatic.
[00:56:36] Katie: But the C-section, I’m gonna update you on this, on the scar, because I’ve been using the Elaster Plas scar reducers, you know, the sticker.
[00:56:45] Carla: Yes. Yes. No, I’ve heard you talking about them. I don’t know if it’s on here or?
[00:56:49] Katie: Yeah, well, I mean I’ve got, uh, it is pointless me showing anyone because it’s like I’m on show and tell at school.
[00:56:55] Carla: Well, we’ve got a YouTube channel as well if you prefer to watch, but Yeah. Yeah.
[00:56:59] Katie: But I bought, yeah, elastre plas Scar Reducer and I bought them off, um, Amazon just thinking there was only one type and I got the small ones and there’s long ones, so I accidentally got the small ones and I was having to stick two on.
[00:57:13] Katie: And then I realised when I went to get my next packet, there’s a long one that is the perfect, it’s obviously measured to the size of a C-section and just when I’m getting dressed in the morning and I just pop one of those on a over the scar and kind of rub it on, and, um, I’ve definitely noticed it’s smoother, flatter, the redness is reducing.
[00:57:32] Katie: Um, and it’s a silicon treatment. So Silicon apparently helps rejuvenate the collagen in that area, which takes the redness away from the scar and helps it to get a bit flatter and smoother. So you can get silicon creams, you can get all different, there’s different ways of getting the silicon onto the scar, but elaster plast, very cleverly put it onto a plaster that you can just stick on and forget about for the whole day.
[00:57:56] Carla: I’ll put a link to all these at the bottom of the podcast so then people have got got those if they need those. Yeah. Um, so, um, what else did we wanna discuss, Katie?
[00:58:07] Katie: Um, there was, it was all the things that we find different after having a baby. So I’d really be interested to see what people have got to say. We, we know the obvious ones, the stretch marks.
[00:58:18] Carla: Oh yes.
[00:58:18] Katie: The looser skin. Body shape changing, uh, you, you know, the change to the boobs, which we’ve talked about, and obviously the things we can and can’t do whilst pregnant and after, um, during breastfeeding.
[00:58:30] Carla: I know the stretch mark ones a bit of, um, what I, um, a bit of something that I did actually, cause I, I’ve always, I mean I think my stomach has always been my main kind of, bit of my body that I’ve liked cause it’s always quite flat and when I do put on weight, it goes on my bums, so I don’t see it.
[00:58:46] Carla: So I always think, you know, yeah, this is great, but my stomach’s always stayed flat and I’ve always liked my stomach. So for me, I decided early on, um, that I was gonna use the cocoa button. Button , the cocoa butter, the palms one. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then also the bio oil. And I use that every day, every morning, every night.
[00:59:07] Carla: And I didn’t get any scars on my, um, on any, uh, stretch marks. Stretch marks, yeah. On my belly at all. I’m not saying that everyone’s skin’s different, isn’t it? So for some people that might not work, but it did work for me both times. Yeah. That’s what I did.
[00:59:20] Katie: Yeah. I think genetically some people are predisposed to stretch marks, whereas others aren’t. But you can definitely help your skin elasticity with what you’ve said, a good routine. And it’s, it’s the same as it’s the association. So when I had, um, Autoro, I was really good. For some reason I haven’t been as good. I have to admit. I think it’s cause I’ve had a c-section in the scar. I was bothered about, you know, rubbing the cream all over.
[00:59:45] Katie: But, uh, during pregnancy, as your belly stretches, you’ve got to do it then. And post-pregnancy as your belly’s going down. Do it for as long as possible a year, two years. The bio oil is brilliant for reducing, um, stretch marks and just helping your skin sort of shrink back a little. Keeping it, keeping it hydrated is key, isn’t it? And I, and obviously whilst you put it in the bio oil on, you can massage your scar at the same time.
[01:00:12] Carla: Yeah. And your belly, if you’ve got your baby in there. It’s a nice, nice little routine to do. Yeah. And um, what I found is towards the end of the pregnancy, I dunno about you, but my belly got so itchy that that was a reminder that I needed to kind of cream up again because I just ended up putting a bit more on towards the end just because it felt like I would just felt so, like my body could not stretch any further than that’s how I felt.
[01:00:36] Katie: Yeah. The, the itchiness can be hormonal, so it’s not always something you can do. Anything about the, the itchy. Did you really need to itch your skin? Like even though it wasn’t that dry?
[01:00:45] Carla: The belly. The belly, yes. But there is actually something else. Um, and it, I don’t know the name of it, but if you do get itchy skin during pregnancy, it can be something to do with your liver. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, my, one of my friends had it actually. Um, so definitely go to your GP or midwife and discuss that because that’s quite important. Make sure that it’s not that.
[01:01:05] Katie: Yeah. But um, yeah, definitely with the c-section scar themselves, lots of massage to break down that, um, that, that scar tissue is good.
[01:01:15] Carla: Sorry. Lastly, I remember now my hair is only just grown back, I dunno about yours, but I literally had a fringe that was poking out, like literally.
[01:01:25] Katie: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
[01:01:26] Carla: That awful. Told you, you’d just seen it? Yeah. It’s awful, awful.
[01:01:30] Katie: My mine’s just falling out now. I took a, I took a picture the other week. I was gonna put it on my Instagram story and then I just thought, no, people just think you’re a weirdo. But I brushed my hair after I washed it in the, in the bath, and I was literally just pulling clumps of hair and you’d be worried about it, wouldn’t you? But I know the reason why it’s hormonal changes, obviously I’m reducing the amount of breastfeeding I’m doing and my, my body’s changing and I can just pull handfuls of hair out there. My, our friend who does my hair said it to me the other day. She’s like, do you know you shedding your hair? And I was like, yes, I’ve seen it.
[01:02:04] Carla: I know. Well, she’s the same friend actually. Um, she owns a salon and um, I was talking to her outside the Salon and you know, when someone’s not looking you in the eye and she was just looking up like, just above my head, and it was all these little spikes of like fringe.
[01:02:17] Carla: I was like, what are you looking at? She’s like, I can’t help it. I said, stop . I know I’m starting to get a bit of a fringe. It’s actually
[01:02:24] Katie: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You’ve got quite a lot out there.
[01:02:27] Carla: Oh my God. It was awful. It was awful. Yeah. And the worst part is you can go out for the day, brush your hair, and it’s hidden away. You’ve been out in the wind, you forget about it. You are walking around and you’ve just got this fringe that’s like an inch. Down forehead and it was just there and I was talking to people and then when I get back in the car, like look in the mirror and think, oh my God.
[01:02:47] Katie: What, what is that doing there ?
[01:02:48] Carla: Yeah that bloody fringe in my way again.
[01:02:50] Katie: Again, I have to say, after I had my first son, I’m hoping this happens to me again about a year later. So all the hair fell out and, you know, the hormonal shed, which you get about a year later, I remember my hair went amazing. It was like all new and glossy and all that little hair had grown out. And I was like, oh my God. It’s like having fresh hair that’s never been damaged by straighteners and a hair dryer and stuff.
[01:03:14] Carla: Oh, wow.
[01:03:15] Katie: And I remember in the, in the long run thinking that did my hair good. I dunno if anyone else felt the same, but that’s, that’s how I felt about it.
[01:03:21] Carla: Yeah. God right. Yes. I hope that happens to me. I’ve got really thin hair. Anyway really.
[01:03:28] Katie: Collagen. That’s why you should be taking collagen.
[01:03:31] Carla: You’re joking?
[01:03:31] Katie: No, collagen.
[01:03:32] Carla: What for my hair?
[01:03:33] Katie: Yeah. Type one and three. It makes your hair grow.
[01:03:36] Carla: Send me a link, send me a link.
[01:03:37] Katie: Also, there’s another supplement called Lycine and amino acid, and that makes your hair grow as a side effect as well. It’s for people who get cold sores.
[01:03:46] Carla: Hope it doesn’t make your hair on your legs grow.
[01:03:47] Katie: Yeah, well it probably works everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. But theres hair laser for that .
[01:03:52] Carla: I know. That’s a next thing, isn’t it? Yeah. And the thing is, Katie, if I start doing all of these things, I, I would be absolutely skint. You know, like there, there’s so many things
[01:04:01] Katie: You could go on and on.
[01:04:03] Carla: Yeah. I, I would go on and, yeah.
[01:04:05] Katie: I do go on and on , I finish something and I’m like, oh, that was good. What’s next? What else could we do?
[01:04:11] Carla: I think, you’re testing these out for us, actually. Yeah. That’s quite cool.
[01:04:15] Katie: Yeah, like I don’t wanna look like a different person or anything like that. I like to make my life easier, you know, so if I, if I can get it where I don’t have to shave or don’t have to put makeup on or, you know, my hair just naturally is quite well conditioned, then I’d do that because I like e, I like it for the ease, you know, to.
[01:04:32] Carla: I love that what you’ve said there. See, I am like that for like things around the house. Like we’ve got this new tile, I lose my keys all the time, and now I’ve realised you can get tile for your keys. Um, so like now I just say, Alexa wears my keys and she finds them. You know, that kind of thing.
[01:04:46] Katie: Oh, that I didn’t know that existed.
[01:04:48] Carla: Yeah. Oh, it’s,
[01:04:48] Katie: I need that.
[01:04:49] Carla: Yeah. I lose things all the time. I actually left them in zest not long ago, which is a local bar from us, and I left them in there and I went on my phone and it said zest, they’re in zest. So I went and got it. So it’s great. Um, but I’ve got that, so that makes my life easier. Also, the garage door now fingerprint door. I’ve just done that. I just think it’s the way forward. So yeah. So not just in beauty life, I mean, you know, in, in day-to-day life, just making your life easier with things like that, that is useful.
[01:05:16] Katie: A hundred percent. Yeah. And these things are so much more accessible. Like everyone has a ring doorbell now, but if you had CCTV on your gate post 10 years ago, you were a little bit extra, weren’t you? But but, but now it’s like we’ve all got an app on our phone, haven’t we?
[01:05:30] Carla: I know and you’re like, leave it outside. Leave, you know, the parcel. The only thing that’s really annoying, I dunno if you find this, I ordered from Amazon a lot. I mean, I’m talking they’re here once or twice a day.
[01:05:42] Katie: The, the cardboard is a concern in my house.
[01:05:44] Carla: Yeah. Oh yeah. It, it’s worrying, but always ringing that bloody doorbell when the baby’s asleep. And my door ring doorbell is so loud and it’s like, is it, there’s someone at your door? I’m just like, and I answer the door. And the person. I feel so sorry for them, but I’m just like, yeah?
[01:06:01] Katie: What is it?
[01:06:01] Carla: Yeah, just give it me.
[01:06:02] Katie: How rude of you.
[01:06:03] Carla: And then I’m like, oh, thanks so much. But I, I, I whisper sometimes, as in like, next time you come, cause it is the same people a lot of the time. Oh, thank you babies just sleeping. Hint, hint. Don’t ever ring the doorbell again.
[01:06:13] Katie: Yeah, yeah. You can, you can make a note to leave it on your doorstep, you know? So they don’t do that. Somewhere on the app or something. I don’t know. Or, I dunno, that’s, anyway, yeah. I, I have it, leave it in my porch and they just chuck it in.
[01:06:25] Carla: Oh, do they?
[01:06:26] Katie: But also my ring doorbell, I don’t have it where it makes the sound. It can come out my phone, but I put it on si my, when my phone’s on silent. I don’t even know. It’s, it’s the worst, it’s the opposite case. Should I say, I don’t even know that someone’s there.
[01:06:38] Carla: Oh, it’s not on my door. It, I’m, I mean, the plug-in thing on your, in your house, you know.
[01:06:42] Katie: Oh, I haven’t got that. Oh, I didn’t know there was that. Where’s our plug? Yeah, where’s probably in the box still?
[01:06:48] Carla: It’s probably in my house playing as well.
[01:06:50] Katie: Doing double.
[01:06:51] Carla: Honestly. It is, it is terrifying actually. Yeah. Cause I just sat there sometimes and I just hear this awful sound. Um, and Alexa also shouts at the same time as well, so it’s just, it’s just hell that moment. Yeah. Anyway. There we go.
[01:07:03] Katie: So, yeah, now I, I, next time we, we catch up, I’ll probably have stopped breastfeeding. So you might see me dashing in for a load of treatment. So I might be able to update you on more.
[01:07:13] Carla: You come back a different person. Like, we thought we had Katie here?
[01:07:16] Katie: Yeah. I’ll be like, uh, so I’ve just had a small glow up in the last week.
[01:07:21] Carla: Great.
[01:07:22] Katie: Like, like, I’m on, I’m, I’m on the starting line just waiting to run towards all the different salons for different things. But one thing I did forget to mention earlier, um, using an SPF when you’re pregnant, because my, I got such bad, I know it’s hormonal, but I got such bad pigmentation on my face and my chest. I’m gonna have to, I’m gonna go for a peel. I think really give myself a more, even skin. It’s gone down a lot.
[01:07:45] Carla: You’re a lot more sensitive to the sun during pregnancy, aren’t you? So you.
[01:07:49] Katie: My chest did this bizarre thing. It was all mottled by the end of my pregnancy. It looked like, people were like, have you burnt your chest? And it was, it looked like sunburn, but it was like with white and orange spots on it as well.
[01:08:01] Carla: Oh really? Gosh.
[01:08:02] Katie: Yeah. Really reacted badly to the sun with hormones.
[01:08:05] Carla: Yeah. Yeah. So there we go. Another another tip there for you. I’m actually just looking at myself on video cause we record this at the same time and I’m showing off a tattoo. I actually went on a girls weekend. Do you like it?
[01:08:16] Katie: Yeah, I’ve not seen it. Yeah. Lovely.
[01:08:18] Carla: Yeah. Well no, it was actually went to Dublin with my friends, uh, for the weekend, which was brilliant, but got way too drunk the first day. Ended up all getting tattoos. So yeah. So I was just looking on the video. I think I keep thinking, what’s that? Every time I come.
[01:08:32] Katie: Forgetting that you did it?
[01:08:34] Carla: Stupid, bloody drunken thing. . Well, the only reason why we did it is, and one of my friends doesn’t like tattoos at all and we always said, oh, we’ll get one. But we always relied on her to be like the person to say, no, we’re not doing it, because we all had to do it. Cause we’ve been better friends since we were, maybe since we were five. And so, so we’ve always said we’d do it anyway. We went in the tattoo place and we were like, to her right if we don’t all get it, we’re not doing it anyway. She was like, yeah, I’ll get it. One, we were like, oh, no, , we have to do it anyway, but there we go.
[01:09:02] Katie: So did you decide on the spot what the tattoo was going to be? So there was no. Planning in, in. See, I couldn’t do that. I’d need to know what is was gonna be.
[01:09:10] Carla: No planning, just said a heart. That’ll do. So anyway.
[01:09:13] Katie: Cause you love each other.
[01:09:14] Carla: Because Yeah. I don’t know why I just.
[01:09:16] Katie: Well, it’s nice you love each other. You’ve known each other all your lives.
[01:09:19] Carla: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, so that was that. Anyway, that’s different. Don’t go completely our subject there. So Katie, thank you. Yes. Again, so much.
[01:09:27] Katie: You’re welcome. I mean, it’s, it is just a little bit of what we do and what we know, uh, like so not experts, but it’s nice to hear what other people get up to. Isn’t it In the same situation?
[01:09:37] Carla: It is. And the next episode, we’re actually on our final episode of season four which is scary, and I know people have enjoyed this, so if you would like us to continue and do another series, Katie, we would love to have you on there. But let’s see.
[01:09:52] Katie: Thank you.
[01:09:53] Carla: How, what your feedback is, let us know. Um, Yeah, we’ll go from there.
[01:09:58] Katie: Also, we have been sent some questions during these episodes going live, haven’t we? And we were gonna try and address them in the, in the last one, maybe next week.
[01:10:06] Carla: Yeah, I think that’s a great idea. Yeah. We’ll, we’ll do that. And also, if you’re going through any dilemmas or anything and you want to hear, you know, any feedback like, dear Deidre and we would do
[01:10:17] Katie: Full of advice.
[01:10:18] Carla: Then, you know, send them in and be anonymous if you want anything.
[01:10:23] Katie: What would Kate, what would Carla and Katie do?
[01:10:25] Carla: I know.
[01:10:26] Katie: There we go. That’s, yeah, that can be our little thing. What would Carla and Katie do? There we go. I dunno. I dunno if, uh, if,
[01:10:32] Carla: I dunno if I’d be good at advice like that. I think I am actually.
[01:10:36] Katie: I like, yeah, I think you’re good. You’re a good listener. You’re a good listener. Which is important. Yeah.
[01:10:41] Carla: Oh, thank you.
[01:10:41] Katie: I, I talk too much, which is, probably a bad thing, I don’t know. But yeah, no, I could definitely talk anyone around any problem. And then if I had it myself, I’d be like, I dunno what to do.
[01:10:51] Carla: I know that’s what I’m like exactly the same. So anyhow, also last thing as well, I’m actually booked in to see someone for a bit of therapy cause this health anxiety is so bad at the moment again, so that’s another form of, you know, looking after yourself and loving yourself because yeah, it, it is just got to the point where a few things have happened in the family recently and yeah. Uh, things like that where, you know, it’s just a bit of a trigger and I thought, no, I’m ready to kind of delve into that a bit more now with the therapy side. So I’ll let you know how that goes next week.
[01:11:19] Katie: Yeah. I’ll be interested to hear about that because I, I’ve never really felt that I’ve needed anything like that. But then when something happens, like at the moment, I lost my dog earlier this week, you know about it. But I feel really anxious because of that and not myself. So I think there, there’s always times in your life isn’t there, where uh, things, things kick off certain emotions mm-hmm. that you don’t normally know how to deal with and it’s very healthy to work through them with someone who can help you understand, isn’t it?
[01:11:49] Carla: Yeah. So I’m gonna fill you guys in on what I’m gonna do next, cause I’ve tried a few things for this health anxiety, which have helped CBT IMT and uh, the next step for me is probably a bit of hypnotherapy. I did some hypnotherapy with my auntie who was really, really good actually. And, um, sadly she’s passed away recently, so that has kind of triggered me a little bit with this kind of thing. Yeah. So I want to continue that and see. , you know, if I can improve it, I know it is something that will never go. But I do think therapy, some people say therapy is great for everybody. So, you know, well.
[01:12:24] Katie: In America they often have a therapist just to talk through what’s going on in the life, even when everything is swell.
[01:12:30] Carla: Yeah. , I know. Well, yeah.
[01:12:32] Katie: Everything swell.
[01:12:34] Carla: Swell. I know. Swell. Just like, isn’t it a good word? Is it like, swell.
[01:12:38] Katie: It’s definitely an American one, isn’t it?
[01:12:40] Carla: Yeah, it is. So anyhow, Katie, we’ll put the links to everything. Um, yes. On here you can follow Katie, um, www.instagram.com/coach Katie with two Ks.
[01:12:52] Katie: So coach, it’s, it’s coach and, and underscore, and then Katie.
[01:12:56] Carla: Yeah. And the link is at the bottom here and I’m under my bump 2 baby with the number two. So I’ll put the links at the bottom. Um, remember, you can listen on any, Kind of leading podcast platform. And you don’t just have to listen on the website. You can do it that way or you can watch it on YouTube. So if you’ve got any feedback, let us know. And if you want us to continue to series five, uh, yeah, let us know.
[01:13:21] Katie: Yeah, I’d love to record more, but we do need shares, don’t we? Likes and shares and we need to, you know, there needs to be a demand and then we can keep going with it.
[01:13:28] Carla: And I have actually, it’s a bit cheeky, but I have put buy us a coffee link on my link on um, Instagram because we don’t, obviously these episodes do cost us.
[01:13:37] Carla: And at the moment, you know, there isn’t any sponsors at the moment. So if you would like to sponsor this episode, anything like that, get in touch. And uh, yes, we’ll go from there.
[01:13:46] Katie: Yeah, we have fun though, don’t we? So I’ll, I’d love, yeah. I hope everyone enjoys it. We can keep going.
[01:13:52] Carla: Yeah. Take care everybody, and we’ll speak to you for the final episode of season four next week.
[01:13:58] Carla: Thank you.
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